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Post by captainbasil on Apr 1, 2013 7:32:46 GMT -5
I take it you mean on Netflix. Is this still in the works? The last episode of Jericho aired March 25, 2008. It's been 5 years! Are they still trying to bring it back?? God I loved that show. It was a rumor for a long time but I guess recently Netflix formally approached the network and they are in talks. I'm a big fan too. |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 3, 2013 15:44:40 GMT -5
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 5, 2013 1:23:23 GMT -5
Check out the overview of the Video Quality:I also just noticed that it ranks #2988 in sales over at Amazon in just its second week of release. I know CRAM would probably love to throw in a sarcastic crack about that (and who could really blame him in a way), but I think part of its dismal showing is probably attributable to most people not even knowing about the release of this set last week. Regardless of the reason though, I'd have to say that doesn't appear to bode well for the revival that hardcore fans who know about it hope for.
And check out the price now.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 5, 2013 7:02:26 GMT -5
Well, seriously--who would pay $75 for a season release of a bad show?
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 5, 2013 10:55:58 GMT -5
Well, seriously--who would pay $75 for a season release of a bad show? And with what they charge for a set, you would think they could have at least gone through the trouble to remaster it and clean out all or most of the imperfections that were alluded to in that review. The fact that they didn't is pathetic. |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 5, 2013 10:57:52 GMT -5
Well, seriously--who would pay $75 for a season release of a bad show? And with what they charge for a set, you would think they could have at least gone through the trouble to remaster it and clean out all or most of the imperfections that were alluded to in that review. The fact that they didn't is pathetic. |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 5, 2013 10:58:39 GMT -5
Well, seriously--who would pay $75 for a season release of a bad show? And with what they charge for a set, you would think they could have at least gone through the trouble to remaster it and clean out all or most of the imperfections that were alluded to in that review. The fact that they didn't is pathetic. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 5, 2013 17:03:36 GMT -5
Well, it would be hard to clean out the imperfections. That would involve getting new writers, and refilming the show from scratch.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 12, 2013 11:22:33 GMT -5
Over at TrekNews:Enterprise Cast Reunites To Film Blu-ray Season 2 Bonus FeaturesApril 11, 2013 By TrekNews.net Staff In Star Trek: ENT  On Wednesday, Star Trek: Enterprise co-creator Brannon Braga tweeted a photo of the reunited cast as they filmed bonus features for the upcoming Blu-ray release of the second season. The primary Enterprise cast, including Scott Bakula (Captain Archer), Jolene Blalock (T’Pol), Connor Trinneer (Trip Tucker), Dominic Keating (Malcolm Reed), John Billingsley (Phlox), Anthony Montgomery (Travis Mayweather) & Linda Park (Hoshi Sato) along with Braga are shown in the photo. Reunion with two handsome gentlemen brannonbraga #startrekbluray instagram.com/p/X7v5duAQ-M/ — Linda Park (@reallindapark) April 10, 2013 Star Trek: Enterprise Season 2 on… Read More » www.treknews.net/2013/04/11/star-trek-enterprise-cast-reunion-photo/
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Post by StarFuryG7 on May 5, 2013 18:04:41 GMT -5
I came across this review late last night of "Enterprise" Season 1 on Blu-ray. However, it's also more of a review of the series overall, so I figured a few of you might find it of interest. |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on May 6, 2013 7:25:21 GMT -5
Nicely informative. I really like that Rob Burnett is involved with the making-of docs these days.
I remember all the rumors about Shatner's appearance and it possibly involving the mirror universe. And it is helpful to remember that, as stupid as Berman and Braga are about some things, network idiots are involved too. I think the idea of a season-long build-up to the Enterprise's launch would have been intriguing (though fans would likely still complain since that would mean more human/Vulcan tension on Earth). How much of this is Berman and Braga passing the buck and how much is really out of their hands we'll never really know. But the extras do sound good. I never bough ENT on DVD because I have 'em all taped (some re-taped off other tapes, so 3rd generation picture degradation on VHS that looks awful). If I ever finally nosedive into blu-ray, I think ENT will be the first series I pick up.
-TK
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Post by CRAMBAM on May 6, 2013 19:55:54 GMT -5
It would make a good fan fiction or novel, but Mirror Kirk isn't what I would have wanted. To bring in Shatner and have him play any role BUT Kirk Prime, would be a waste.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 2, 2013 10:11:25 GMT -5
This dude cracked me up. One guy started a thread and posted a message about how Paramount sent him a promotional package of the first three seasons of TNG on Blu-ray, along with the first season of "Enterprise". (Read his post here if interested: www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/1hgp4s/after_my_post_about_the_hulu_contest_i_was/.compact)
Then down near the bottom of the thread some other guy chimes in with this: ------------------------------------------------------- PatternGhost 1 point 33 minutes ago The joke's on you. Looks like they snuck some Enterprise dvds in there. ------------------------------------------------------- That's terrible, but its also pretty damn funny, except they're Blu-rays, not DVD.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jul 2, 2013 12:26:10 GMT -5
That rules. Those Paramount bastards! They sent an Enterprise disc!
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 13, 2013 18:45:48 GMT -5
This is the kind of mindset we find ourselves up against with today's younger folks.
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Jul 13, 2013 21:02:33 GMT -5
I can understand a newbie not knowing which series to watch next (it's a little frightening, but understandable). But the people suggesting he skip to TNG are insane. I don't think the "production value" issue should deter people from watching TOS (and arguable TNG has the same problem anyway). And as you said, like it or not, TOS has shiny new effects now.
I wouldn't recommend watching any of the modern Trek without at least some TOS under their belt.
-TK
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 14, 2013 12:04:18 GMT -5
I can understand a newbie not knowing which series to watch next (it's a little frightening, but understandable). But the people suggesting he skip to TNG are insane. I don't think the "production value" issue should deter people from watching TOS (and arguable TNG has the same problem anyway). And as you said, like it or not, TOS has shiny new effects now. I wouldn't recommend watching any of the modern Trek without at least some TOS under their belt. -TK
Here, have a look for yourself if you want: |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Jul 14, 2013 12:35:44 GMT -5
For fans of TNG, the closest thing conceptually is TOS. Second is VOY, but since the guy had already seen that...
DS9 is obviously the next best step as a continuation of things begun on TNG and to see what's next for Worf and stuff. But people like that who say they "have no interest" in TOS don't realize how much it will enhance their later viewing.
Perhaps there should be a go-to list of essential TOS episodes for fans of modern Trek. You know, stuff like "Space Seed", "Trouble With Tribbles", and "Mirror, Mirror" so that when people say they don't really want to see it, you can say "just watch these 15 episodes first". If they never watch anymore, they'll have seen the best of it and it have a better appreciation for what comes later. But maybe it'll get them hooked. There's not much MT that approaches stuff like the near-rape of Yeoman Rand by the captain in "The Enemy Within" for example, and the fact they got away with that in the 1960s always amazes me. I don't see how anyone can watch "Trials and Tribble-ations" without seeing the first one.
At the very least, the TOS movies are must-see (you could skip TMP, but I like it).
My list of essential TOS for MT viewers would probably be as follows:
The Naked Time
The Enemy Within
Balance of Terror
The Galileo Seven
The Squire of Gothos
Arena
Tomorrow is Yesterday
Space Seed
The Devil in the Dark
Errand of Mercy
The City on the Edge of Forever
Amok Time
Mirror, Mirror
The Doomsday Machine
Journey to Babel
The Trouble With Tribbles
By Any Other Name (because I love the episode, and because of the callback in "Relics")
The Enterprise Incident
The Tholian Web (for it's ENT ties)
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
-TK
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Post by captainbasil on Jul 14, 2013 13:20:22 GMT -5
I'm trying not to sound ancient (I will be 52 next month) but it seems a lot of younger people have no interest in History of any kind. If you're interested in Trek why would you NOT want to at least look at TOS ? Sure you might have a preference for TNG or another show. But TOS started it all. The company I work for moved 30 miles west of its original location so I commute to work almost 100 miles a day. Hence I listen to audio drama and books. We formed a commuter club at work and we swap material. I listen to new audio drama and old radio drama from the 30's and 40's , which I admit my father got me into when I was a kid. Some of my co-workers only want to listen to the new digital stuff and refuse to listen to classic old radio like The Shadow , Dragnet, etc. It's too old, I'm told. (sigh) I like TNG and some of DS9, but TOS is still the best and to ignore it is only cheating yourself.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 15, 2013 8:57:02 GMT -5
I like your recommended TOS episodes list for the uninitiated later Trek viewers, TK, but it does also read like a Top Twenty Best Episodes List of the series, although I know that was also the point, as you did say, 'Even if they don't watch anymore than those they'll still have seen the best'.
I think the main thing is to use whatever hook is necessary to reach these people and get them to look at something they're shunning for primarily superficial reasons. That's why I point the CGI work on the Remastered Episodes because it seems to be the main sticking point for these younger people who think along those lines, and it amazes me how many of them still aren't even aware that the original series had all of the effects work in it completely redone.
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Jul 15, 2013 9:04:31 GMT -5
Yes, it does read like a best of list. I did leave off some really good ones and tried to stick with stuff that would be relevant or interesting to MT fans. Though a couple like Galileo Seven and Doomsday Machine could be dropped.
It's not surprising to me that some don't know about the TOSFix, since it was really only talked about among fans, and for a while it was airing in syndication in ridiculous time slots where most wouldn't have seen it.
I still maintain we don't need to change the effects (but if we're going to do that, maybe redoing Babylon 5's wouldn't be a bad idea), but if it will get folks watching, and since that's the only way to see it aired on TV right now anyway, so be it.
-TK
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 15, 2013 10:57:18 GMT -5
I'm trying not to sound ancient (I will be 52 next month) but it seems a lot of younger people have no interest in History of any kind. If you're interested in Trek why would you NOT want to at least look at TOS ? It used to really annoy me, and underneath it all I suppose it still does. However, I've grown to simply accept the fact that these people are products of the age in which we live and their environment, and it makes no sense to preach to them, trying to get them to accept something they're viscerally resistant to on its face. They'd only view us as their parents or a teacher trying to convince them that they should learn about history even though they always hated history classes in school. So you approach them on a level they can connect with instead, and usually they'll say that they can't deal with the primitive old special effects right away. Some of them will also groan about the sets and the style of the production. That one is more difficult to change their minds about because the sets are the sets after all, and those were the production values of the time. The way I would deal with that criticism though is to point out how ridiculous the TNG sets tend to look, with carpeting on the bridge and in the corridors because they were so focused on comfort instead, whereas TOS had a more military tone to it, and that's evident by the design of the original Enterprise. Compare Kirk's quarters or Spock's quarters to Picard's or Riker's on the Enterprise-D. On the original show there was less space, and comfort was not a main priority on the first Enterprise obviously, whereas in the latter, a lot of space was wasted and everything looked more extravagant by comparison --something the Klingons would have delighted in mocking and making fun of. When you throw that at them it may actually get them to think twice, provided they don't just have a knee-jerk reaction to defend TNG because it' s the show they like the most, which isn't unusual. Then once you've overcome that hurdle, you point out the effects in TOS, since having been redone using CGI, are actually better than the FX work in TNG, including the newly overhauled episodes that are still in the process of being updated season by season for that show. Not everyone would agree with that point of view more than likely, but I'm okay with that because the argument can at least be legitimately made without seeming frivolous or bogus. The FX work in TNG seemed animated and cartoonish from the start, and they still look very animated after being upgraded for the Blu-ray releases. Not everyone will like this approach because it will strike them as tearing down one incarnation of Trek to build up the other, but that's an assessment that's not entirely correct. After all, if the conversation begins from the standpoint that the original series is old and should therefore be bypassed and overlooked, one incarnation of Trek is already being attacked and you're simply introducing a counterargument pointing out the deficiencies in what followed. I'm not going to waste my time getting annoyed over the superficial views of the younger generations when it comes to Trek. I'll try and change their minds and alter their outlooks on the matter when the opportunity presents itself, and if I succeed, great, and if I don't then it's their loss. A lot of people wouldn't even bother, but sometimes I figure it's worth a shot. It can't hurt to try, and it's my breath to waste If that's what I'm doing, so no skin off of anyone's back but mine. |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 15, 2013 11:07:43 GMT -5
I still maintain we don't need to change the effects (but if we're going to do that, maybe redoing Babylon 5's wouldn't be a bad idea) -TK That's never going to happen unfortunately. Warner Bros. is not CBS or Paramount, which are willing to make that kind of an investment by comparison. But the FX files are long lost and will never be redone as they would have to do it all from scratch. No one safeguarded those files and when the series was originally transferred to DVD they did a lousy hack job using a PAL master and stretching the scenes set in space to make those sequences look even worse than they should. Someone overseeing that show should have monitored all of what was going throughout all of this, but no one did. Stupid really, as the consequences are apparent and permanent, and it really sucks. |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 24, 2013 7:56:25 GMT -5
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Post by captainbasil on Jul 24, 2013 9:58:59 GMT -5
While I think we need a new Trek TV series (old school TV or streaming), Enterprise would not be my choice. I like a lot of the actors on the show but it just never clicked for me. I think if any Trek show should be resurrected, the logical choice would be TNG.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 24, 2013 10:27:50 GMT -5
What I found interesting about that thread was its shift in focus to the Romulan conflict in "Enterprise" and its lack if consistency with the Romulan War in the original series. I should have indicated that in my last post, so my apologies for not having done so.
Someone mentioned that had ENT lasted into season five that the Romulan conflict and ensuing war with Earth was supposed to be the focus for that next season had the show not been cancelled.
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Post by TK on Jul 24, 2013 11:45:06 GMT -5
I think it might be nice of them to do a movie or a couple movies straight to DVD that would give ENT a better ending and go into the Romulan War. The years that have passed since the show was cancelled can only help to put the Earth-Romulan War closer to its correct chronology. They could even properly close out the Temporal Cold War by revealing the identity of Future Guy to be a Romulan who was altering time to make things favorable for the empire (as I've always suspected). While I know some hate the TCW, using it allows them to reset the elements that were in discontinuity with TOS as well.
-TK
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jul 24, 2013 13:09:25 GMT -5
No demand though. No one cared while the show was on. If they would go back to the prime universe, I doubt they would go with Enterprise.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Aug 20, 2013 10:54:53 GMT -5
Oh please --if a writer is creative enough he can find his way around such obstacles, and it's not as though we didn't get to see long plot arcs in prior modern Trek shows already anyway. DS9 had done it, and so did Voyager, particularly in terms of its major arc of trying to get back home, which ran throughtout the entire course of the series. Braga's problem is that he doesn't have an original creative bone in his whole body. Over at Blastr: Why Brannon Braga found early seasons of Enterprise 'strangulating'
Trent Moore
August 20, 2013 The story of Enterprise is an interesting one, as it was one of the few Star Trek shows engineered to appeal to mainstream audiences in an effort to re-energize the franchise. So what did producer Brannon Braga find so “strangulating” about the series? |
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Post by TK on Aug 20, 2013 11:46:56 GMT -5
I'm not going to defend Braga as a great writer but he does have a point. I think part of the reason DS9 got away with it is because Voyager was there for "normal" Trek fans, and the studio didn't care as much about DS9. Voyager's potential was rarely exploited what with the Maquis presence and other things. Some of that is the writing staff (Jeri Taylor hated all the Kazon stuff for instance), but some of it is definitely studio interference. Year of Hell was supposed to be a whole season, and would have been awesome, but the studio killed it. Season 2 of Enterprise is the worst of the series. It's certainly not all because they didn't serialize, though I think that was a good move for season 3; there's a lot of lousy stuff in season 2 that's not the network's fault. But the stuff we're hearing now about studio interference with the series from the get-go sounds like Braga had better ideas for the series than what we got and the studio does share blame in that.
I'm not saying Braga's not smug, I'm not saying he's brilliant, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a thrashing for "Genesis" and "Threshold" and inconsistencies with the Borg Queen (who shouldn't have existed, but was suggested by someone at the studio, according to Michael Piller). But he has a point.
-TK
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