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Post by StarFuryG7 on Aug 24, 2012 16:46:42 GMT -5
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Aug 24, 2012 18:32:36 GMT -5
Funnily enough, I've just started rewatching DS9. Some time last year I started with TOS, and now I've been making my way through all Trek, so I'm in mid-season 6 of TNG and just starting DS9.
Even though they went with a station and not a planet-based series, the western motif is very clear in the early episodes. It's sort of unfortunate that it got completely abandoned later, as it's the most "western" of any of the Trek series. You've got the frontier town way out on the outskirts, the natives who have just traded one band of oppressive settlers for another (the Spanish vs the Americans?), and of course the local saloon with the prostitutes (holosuites) on the upper level. And then Keiko goes all schoolmarm and starts a one-room schoolhouse. I prefer this sort of Western motif over Firefly's nonsense of "we'll just give them guns and have them talk in old timey speech" even though the reasons for this are never explained, nor the intrusion of Chinese into everything. Can you tell I did not get into Firefly?
The idea of a musical episode would have been ridiculous. Much as I love both musicals and Star Trek, I can't see this working. Granted at the time it was very much en vogue; Buffy, Xena, Ally McBeal all did musical episodes. But thankfully the silliest DS9 ever got was "One Little Ship" and "Profit and Lace". Something tells me too that had Ron Moore succeeded in getting it done it would have been something he'd complain about on BSG commentaries. "That's the sort of thing that we'd get stuck doing on Trek that we'd NEVER do on Battlestar!" Man, he got so smug.
While I like where the series went for the most part, it does bother me that several things set up in the pilot never pay off. The pilot establishes that the Federation wants Bajor to join and that there are 9 orbs that the Bajorans want back. The first never fully pays off, and they only end up getting 4 or 5 orbs. It bothers me when premises from the start of a series are abandoned. Which is why, even though the first season is lousy, I was glad "the pattern" was finally brought up again on Fringe.
-TK
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Post by CRAMBAM on Aug 28, 2012 6:49:01 GMT -5
At some point I have to watch DS9 again too. It's a LOT of time to go through that again. I wouldn't even consider it until I finish Hercules and Xena, and I have a long way to go there.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Aug 28, 2012 16:26:12 GMT -5
At some point I have to watch DS9 again too. It's a LOT of time to go through that again. I wouldn't even consider it until I finish Hercules and Xena, and I have a long way to go there.
And I think I'd rather watch "Enterprise" over again over DS9. Too much of DS9 was a damn soap opera, which turned me off to it |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Aug 29, 2012 14:07:35 GMT -5
Interesting. I always say that DS9 was a good TV show, but bad Star Trek. Enterprise and Voyager were bad TV shows AND bad Star Trek.
Apparently something happened with B5 and Netflix. Not there.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Aug 29, 2012 22:33:03 GMT -5
Interesting. I always say that DS9 was a good TV show, but bad Star Trek. Enterprise and Voyager were bad TV shows AND bad Star Trek. Apparently something happened with B5 and Netflix. Not there.
I don't know what to say about "Babylon 5" and Netflix. Maybe whatever contract was in place expired. With a little luck maybe they'll get them back eventually. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Aug 30, 2012 9:06:36 GMT -5
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened.
Netflix is a very good deal, but in theory, they should be licensed to show everything, and they aren't.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Oct 17, 2012 16:41:39 GMT -5
:::Sigh::: . . . Excuses, excuses . . .
Over at Blastr:Star Trek's Nana Visitor shares the dark problem that hurt DS9 [/b]  [/center] At the height of Star Trek's popularity in the 1990s, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine had the unfair distinction of being the middle child, stuck between the end of Star Trek: The Next Generation and the beginning of Star Trek: Voyager, and the show suffered from a lack of fan support. But was that the reason it ''failed'' compared to TNG and Voyager? MORE: blastr.com/2012/10/star-treks-nana-visitor-r.php
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Post by captainbasil on Oct 17, 2012 18:19:55 GMT -5
Despite my love of Babylon 5, I like DS9 and the lovely and talented Ms. Visitor makes some valid points. The show was a very dark vision of Trek and , like Enterprise, the writing was uneven. I respect the show for taking chances and even though it was a B5 knockoff, it had a great cast and some fantastic writing when it was hitting its stride. I think the reruns hold up fine.
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Post by Mel on Oct 18, 2012 14:00:08 GMT -5
Ack, Kira made that show hard for me to watch. She grated on me.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Oct 18, 2012 15:35:59 GMT -5
Ack, Kira made that show hard for me to watch. She grated on me.
I always hated her. |
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Post by captainbasil on Oct 18, 2012 18:17:04 GMT -5
Ack, Kira made that show hard for me to watch. She grated on me.
I always hated her.I didn't know the Ro Laren character was going to be on DS9. That's a shame. I like the character and I'm a big Michelle Forbes fan. I have to agree that the Kira character was abrasive but I liked her well enough. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 19, 2012 6:33:09 GMT -5
Kira grew on me. A little annoying at first, but I hated her less later on.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Oct 20, 2012 18:35:13 GMT -5
Kira grew on me. A little annoying at first, but I hated her less later on. |
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Post by Mel on Oct 30, 2012 14:35:07 GMT -5
Me too. Until she fell for Odo. That was many years into the show.
I would have loved to see Michelle Forbes as Ro Laren on DS9. Anyone know why she left Trek?
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 1, 2012 0:18:30 GMT -5
[/color][/quote] What I had heard back then was that she was afraid it would affect her career, and that she would become typecast as a Trek actor, which she didn't want. She wanted to be able to do other kinds of work, so she turned down the role for DS9. And hence we got whiny, annoying as hell Kira, who I pretty much despised all the way through her run on the show. |
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Post by captainbasil on Nov 1, 2012 7:17:24 GMT -5
Forbes had a great role as a psychopath on the soap Guiding Light right around this time. But I'm not sure if it was just before or just after her Trek stint. Come to think of it , one of Richard Biggs (Babylon 5) last roles was on this soap as well.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 2, 2012 18:46:56 GMT -5
Forbes had a great role as a psychopath on the soap Guiding Light right around this time. But I'm not sure if it was just before or just after her Trek stint. Come to think of it , one of Richard Biggs (Babylon 5) last roles was on this soap as well.
I also think he was a better choice to play the Station's Chief Medical Officer than the actor who had originally been cast for the pilot, "The Gathering".
It's a strange thing --so many of the actors associated with "Babylon 5" have died prematurely. |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jun 18, 2013 11:41:27 GMT -5
REDDIT has put up their new Weekly Trek Episode discussion, and this time it relates to DS9, so I figured I'd give you guys a heads up in case any of you are interested in checking it out or involving yourself in the topic over there (I'm principally thinking of TK here actually, since he seems the most likely to be interested in a DS9 episode discussion out of any of us here).
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Sept 20, 2013 19:01:07 GMT -5
Guys, I'm having a problem remembering something about the Trills and DS9, and I'm hoping one of you can assist me in getting to the bottom of it. We all know that when Terry Farrell was cast as Jadzia, that they decided to change the appearance of the Trills from having a ridged forehead, as in "The Host" in TNG, where they were first introduced, to the spots seen instead on Farrell so as to not ruin her beautiful looks. One look at Terry back then, and it's damn easy to agree with that switch. However, I have a rather vague recollection of an episode wherein I thought both Trills were seen, on what I had thought at the time was probably their homeworld. The documentary evidence, however, does not support this recollection of mine. www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/trills.htmI did a little perusing at Memory Alpha as well, and it also affirms that the original Trills were never seen again. So just what is it that I'm sort of remembering? TK seems to have a fairly sharp memory when it comes to this kind of stuff, so I'm hoping something will come to mind for him which I'm unable to put my finger on. I can't even give much information about the plot of the episode, although the Dax symbiont may have been dying or some such thing. Whatever the episode was, we're taking about when it first aired, and I seem to also recall it not even having my full attention at the time, for whatever reason. Maybe I just didn't find it interesting enough or was distracted by something else, or both. I just don't remember, but in trying to sort this out and brush away some of the cobwebs in my head, it's possible that aliens that looked like the original Trills with the ridged foreheads were seen moving about near the end of the episode at issue. I also recall a couple of them carrying something. I know it's not much to go on, but what I'm now thinking is that I mistook aliens for the original Trill because the Trill were the focus of the episode and because of the marked similarity of their ridged foreheads. It's also possible that they were intended to be the original looking Trills, but being that there may have been no dialogue in relation to it in the episode to actually support it, they were dismissed and regarded as some other alien species. At any rate, any help would be appreciated here. |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Sept 21, 2013 6:33:32 GMT -5
There have been several episodes set on the Trill homeworld. The most likely you're remembering would be the one where Jadzia finds out about Joran and we see the pool with the symbionts in it. I think it's "Equilibrium".
I don't recollect seeing old-style foreheads in the episode, though it's certainly possible a similar make-up was used on some background extras at some point somewhere.
There was however a Trek novel that explained about there being different races of Trill, though I don't know which one.
-TK
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Sept 21, 2013 11:11:34 GMT -5
There have been several episodes set on the Trill homeworld. The most likely you're remembering would be the one where Jadzia finds out about Joran and we see the pool with the symbionts in it. I think it's "Equilibrium". It's too early in the show's run. The episode I'm thinking of, whichever it is, came much later. In fact, I wouldn't even rule out that it happened during the show's last season when Nicole de Boer came in to replace Terry Farrell and took on the role of Ezri Dax. Thanks though ...this is bugging me. |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Sept 21, 2013 16:46:25 GMT -5
I tried to post a reply at work but apparently it didn't go through. There was that episode "Prodigal Daughter" where Ezri went back to Trill, but I think that was mostly confined to her home. Based on your recollection of the symbiont maybe being in danger the other one that comes to mind, though it's also an early one, is "Invasive Procedures". In that one, a guy comes to the station to steal the Dax symbiont and one of the members of his gang is a woman with forehead ridges. Here's a pic  For comparison's sake, here's Odan:  Not quite the same, but similar. Mareel was never identified as a Trill in the episode, but I wonder if that's what you were remembering. It's something that I notice every time I see the episode. -TK |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Sept 22, 2013 10:46:21 GMT -5
I tried to post a reply at work but apparently it didn't go through. There was that episode "Prodigal Daughter" where Ezri went back to Trill, but I think that was mostly confined to her home. Based on your recollection of the symbiont maybe being in danger the other one that comes to mind, though it's also an early one, is "Invasive Procedures". In that one, a guy comes to the station to steal the Dax symbiont and one of the members of his gang is a woman with forehead ridges.
I appreciate your help nevertheless though, TK. And don't feel bad about having lost a post, as this is my second attempt to answer you. On my first one my browser crashed and needed to be closed and reopened, and I lost the completed text I was ready to send. :\ So we all get annoyed periodically in that way apparently. |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Sept 22, 2013 10:52:30 GMT -5
well i'm about halfway through the series right now on a rewatch, so if I come across anything that sounds like this, I'll try to make a note of it.
-TK
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Sept 22, 2013 10:58:20 GMT -5
well i'm about halfway through the series right now on a rewatch, so if I come across anything that sounds like this, I'll try to make a note of it. -TK
By the way, you never did answer some of my queries with regard to season 4 of "Babylon 5", particularly at the end of that post.
No big deal, however. I'm just tossing it out there as a reminder. If you're more focused on other things at the moment, then it's understandable. |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Sept 22, 2013 12:01:14 GMT -5
well i'm about halfway through the series right now on a rewatch, so if I come across anything that sounds like this, I'll try to make a note of it. -TK
By the way, you never did answer some of my queries with regard to season 4 of "Babylon 5", particularly at the end of that post.
No big deal, however. I'm just tossing it out there as a reminder. If you're more focused on other things at the moment, then it's understandable.I've been slowly working my way through a massive rewatch of all Trek for the past few years. Right now I'm in season 5 of DS9 and season 3 of VOY (at "Trials and Tribble-ations" and "Future's End" respectively). It's all part of a project I've been working on of quantifying for myself what the "good" episodes are, and seeing if I can rank the series and each season this way. When complete, I'll probably post my results. As to B5, I've just been busy, though I am about ten episodes into season 5 (boy, did it dip in quality again). -TK |
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