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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 23, 2013 12:31:17 GMT -5
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Nov 23, 2013 13:28:42 GMT -5
Very tempting, and I could finally get TOS (albeit TOS-fix), but still just can't afford it right now.
-TK
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 23, 2013 20:02:07 GMT -5
Still a little high for how old it is. Just better than it was.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 24, 2013 19:54:55 GMT -5
You won't be happy until you can get the entire series for just thirty bucks.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 25, 2013 7:43:38 GMT -5
Probably not. Though I would likely pull the trigger at $50. Let's not forget, I have it on DVD, and while I'd prefer the redone effects, they are on netflix.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 25, 2013 12:58:56 GMT -5
Well, I have the original first DVD release, as well as the Remastered Sets on DVD also with the effects redone with CGI, which came out about a year before they put them out on Blu-ray, and now I will have the Blu-ray sets as well because I ordered them over the weekend even though I shouldn't have. I am a bit of a collector though, especially when it comes to Classic Trek, so this completes my collection, although the Remastered DVD sets that I have feel a bit redundant now. However, the Blu-ray sets have Extras and special features not available on the Remastered DVD releases that I already own, such as the original edit of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" that's different and which never aired.
You fail to take into account the extra work that went into the Blu-ray sets, which cost them money to produce, such as the redone FX, the complete remastering of all the episodes, and the seamless branching that allows a viewer to watch those episodes with the original optical effects, or the newer CGI effects. The studio made an investment which is also reflected in what you consider to be the inflated, extra cost of the sets. It would be one thing if they did something akin to taking the original "Battlestar Galactica", let's say, put them on Blu-ray without any added value, such as redoing all of the FX, and then charging a high price for it. That's not the case here. The studio put time, work and money into this series, which we as fans should also be thankful for because it's not being allowed to deteriorate into substandard condition over time. They're making a determined effort to keep it very pristine so that it will be able to endure the test of time over generations.
Now that I'll be getting the Blu-ray sets I expect it won't be long before they announce that they'll be putting the series out in 16X9 format. You watch. This is the kind of shit that happens to me.
$69.99 is the lowest I've seen the original series for thus far, so I went for it. It may go even lower, down to sixty perhaps, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on the chance that it might happen. I doubt you'll see it for fifty, but who knows. I'm not a Netflix subscriber though, so for me they don't even factor into my decision about whether or not to buy TOS on Blu-ray.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 27, 2013 11:19:15 GMT -5
Yes, but given the ridiculous amounts of money they charge, they more than make enough to cover any extra work. Plus, a low price will encourage volume.
I choose not to re-buy essentially the same thing unless the price is right, and extra work or not, TOS is not worth 3 times what a modern TV show that hasn't made millions costs.
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Post by captainbasil on Nov 27, 2013 17:42:52 GMT -5
I have to side with Cram on this. That's a lot of bucks for a show made in 1966. How much can they do to it ? It all comes back to the source material no matter what you're restoring and/or enhancing.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 28, 2013 2:54:33 GMT -5
Yes, but given the ridiculous amounts of money they charge, they more than make enough to cover any extra work. Plus, a low price will encourage volume. We're not talking about ridiculous amounts of money though. We're talking about last weekend's sale, unless you also consider that price a ridiculous amount of money also, in which case I'd disagree. As for a low cost encouraging more sales, of course that's true, but the studio establishes a price tag while also taking into account their costs for having remastered the episodes and having redone all the FX work, and what it would take for them to earn a profit, and thus each set has a specific dollar value attached to it. It's not something they just dreamed up out of thin air, but rather is what their accountants advised them to charge after factoring all the numbers. I choose not to re-buy essentially the same thing unless the price is right, and extra work or not, TOS is not worth 3 times what a modern TV show that hasn't made millions costs. Then by all means feel free to go out and buy "Falling Skies" on Blu-ray and see what it costs you for essentially half the number of episodes per season, and without most of the kinds of bonus features available on the TOS sets. |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 28, 2013 2:57:48 GMT -5
I have to side with Cram on this. That's a lot of bucks for a show made in 1966. How much can they do to it ? It all comes back to the source material no matter what you're restoring and/or enhancing. $70, for a show consisting of 81 episodes (including the alternate version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before", which never aired), not to mention all the Bonus Features and extra materials thrown in that you wouldn't find in the season sets for most newer shows in contrast? That's less than a buck an episode for Christ sake, leaving all the extra features and redone FX out of the picture. And you say, 'how much can they do to it?' when there's still quite a bit they can do. They can redo all of the sets in CGI as well, which may happen eventually, to say nothing of the fact that they still have yet to release it in 16X9 format, which they already have in the can, but are just sitting on. How much can they do to it? They can do this: vimeo.com/m/12023417I guess this comes down to how much of a fan you are. If you're going to write off the worth of the show on the basis of its age, while also showing no interest in taking into account the work the studio put into both restoring and updating all of those episodes, then perhaps you're less of a fan than you think. |
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Post by captainbasil on Nov 28, 2013 10:31:43 GMT -5
Well, to be honest, and I know it's heresy, I hate the updated TOS CGI effects. When I saw the chop job they made out of The Doomsday Machine I almost wept. ;D
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 28, 2013 11:30:22 GMT -5
Well, to be honest, and I know it's heresy, I hate the updated TOS CGI effects. When I saw the chop job they made out of The Doomsday Machine I almost wept. ;D Well, that's the beauty of the Blu-ray sets --you can watch the episodes remastered, but with the original effects if you prefer. You're not forced to view them with the newer CGI effects if you don't want to --or, you can toggle back and forth between the original optical effects or the newer CGI effects if you want to compare them if I'm not mistaken. In short, 'If you like your plan you can keep your plan.' Not everybody lies. And honestly, I think the Vimeo Clip I linked you to looks pretty damn cool. I think that kind of a modern upgrade to TOS would be bad-ass, but it would require a lot of work of course, and a good investment by the studio, which would want to recoup their investment and turn a decent profit. It is a business after all. They don't go out of their way like that just so we could give them nods of approval and some hat tips. It's about money and pleasing their shareholders. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Dec 2, 2013 9:31:47 GMT -5
But here's the thing--I'm also taking into account that no matter what the studio did, they didn't spend the millions it takes to make a modern show. They redid a few effects, which was good, but the costs are not enough to make TOS more expensive that 90 percent of the shows out there.
TV shows like that need to be about $20 a season.
And yes, that Vimeo clip was really cool.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Dec 2, 2013 19:56:45 GMT -5
But here's the thing--I'm also taking into account that no matter what the studio did, they didn't spend the millions it takes to make a modern show. They redid a few effects, which was good, but the costs are not enough to make TOS more expensive that 90 percent of the shows out there. TV shows like that need to be about $20 a season. And yes, that Vimeo clip was really cool. At full price I can certainly see your point, except that TOS has been on sale for significantly cheaper prices since the summer, since before "Into Darkness" hit theaters. And sure, it's true that it's not a new show that had production costs to also consider. But they remastered the entire series from the original film reels just as they're doing with TNG, and redid all the effects for the entire series, not just "a few effects", and they've included a lot of bonus features that you're not taking into account either. Newer shows don't have that many extras, but even aside from all that, you've attached another dollar figure to the series, so let's look at that. You say twenty dollars a season. Well, okay --I wouldn't say that's unreasonable, and I spent a little more than that for each of the seasons on Blu-ray. Not taking tax into account, or shipping, which was relatively inexpensive, the sale price of $69.99 breaks down to $23.33 per season, so it's not far off from your figure. Now sure, you can say that I'm wasting my money because I already have the Remastered episodes with the new effects on DVD, but that's a separate argument. However, the DVD sets don't have all the bonus features that the Blu-ray sets have, but that's a personal choice one makes as a fan. You obviously wouldn't do what I did if you already had the Remastered episodes on DVD, and that's fine of course, nor would I take issue with that choice. What's at issue here though is whether the Blu-ray sets of the series are worth what I paid for them, and I think they are. As I said to Basil, it breaks down to less than a buck an episode, factoring out all the bonus materials entirely. And I don't necessarily base my decision about what a show is worth on its age. In the case of TOS we're talking about a classic show that has certainty withstood the test of time. Why do you think it's still in demand? And why do you think the studio has made a substantial investment to restore and upgrade it? Because to them it's a valuable property obviously, and we as fans should be happy about that. |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Dec 2, 2013 20:34:11 GMT -5
I'd also add that TOS has more episodes per season than any modern series (sometimes nearly 3 times as many), and those episodes are 5-10 minutes longer than most these days. So you get more content.
I don't think it's unreasonable to pay 20-40 dollars for a show, BUT I think it IS unreasonable for a season of few episodes to be priced the same as one with many. I shouldn't be paying that price for season one of Quantum Leap if it's only like 8 episodes.
-TK
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