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Post by CRAMBAM on Jan 30, 2012 13:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by mxxpwr on Jan 31, 2012 23:21:48 GMT -5
Man, this sure seems like another article repeat. I thought they answered the 'writing by committee' question a long time ago.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 1, 2012 9:18:42 GMT -5
Most of the questions are repeat. They are very careful to say nothing, which for the most part is a good thing.
That said, I wouldn't consider it a major spoiler if they revealed that say, Cumberbatch is playing Khan, or more important, NOT playing Khan.
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Post by Mel on Feb 1, 2012 9:27:02 GMT -5
Wow, we're really calling it ST12? I thought maybe ST2, knowing the reboot is a new line of movies, so to speak.
From the article: And given that the time past in real life is different than the amount of time passed in the movie world, it takes a polish to get it just right.
That concerns me. The actors are aging in real life, and the big screen shows everything. Given that, and the likelihood of ST13 by this group, the movies should be coming out closer together.
I read, somewhere, that ST12 was delayed so they could make some other movie, but I forgot which one. Anyone know? Thanks.
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Post by mxxpwr on Feb 1, 2012 12:07:22 GMT -5
In the back of my mind, I have the newest Mission Impossible as the movie they made first.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 1, 2012 18:25:16 GMT -5
They aren't calling it ST12. I am. Makes sense since it IS the 12th movie.
Personally, I hope they don't call it ST2, because nothing they do is worthy of that title.
I agree 100 percent that the movies should be coming out closer together. I think that was mistake. They basically let Abrams and his team do whatever project they wanted while Trek stayed on the shelf.
Four years is inexcusable.
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Post by Mel on Feb 16, 2012 17:50:19 GMT -5
Having been a fan of TOS since 1966, I wanted more TOS movies. I wasn't done with the series, just because the actors were older. I didn't see why we couldn't enjoy more movies, with new cast members.
At the time, I didn't think it was necessary for the actors to resemble the iconic actors. I thought the actors would convince us of who was who. I was wrong. They need help.
Chris Pine didn't have Shatner's great hair, smile or eyes that could twinkle. To the diehard Kirk-aficionados out there, these are small things, but to me, they added to the character of Kirk, and I missed them. In the next movie, make Pine's hair more like Shatner's, and clean up his eyebrows. Give him a brief scene that needs twinkly-eyes.
Zachary Quinto's similarity to Leonard Nimoy’s Spock was good. But in TOS, Spock was damn sexy. Quinto wasn't. There was no chemistry between him and Uhura. Now that we know Quinto is gay, the chance for Spock to be sexy is gone (just like Vulcan). From now on, Spock doesn't need a girlfriend (or pon farr).
Simon Pegg's look was all wrong. James Doohan was handsome! Simon Pegg just isn't. James Doohan had a full head of hair. Couldn't Pegg have worn a hairpiece? The accent was good, and so was the humor. In the next movie, give the character a touch of ego, and a toupee. Help him resemble Scotty.
Anton Yelchin looked way-younger than his 20 years. Short curly hair?!? Where was Walter Koenig's Beatles/Monkees look? Also, as Chekov, Koenig was sexy. Anton looked so much like a child that for him to be sexy would be wrong. In the next movie, make Anton's hair straight and dark. Sex appeal can wait for a few movies.
Zoe Saldana as Uhura didn't work for me. The Uhura of TOS had substance. Nichelle Nichols had presence. Zoe's Uhura doesn't have either. Have her and Spock break up. Get Uhura out of the bedroom, and keep her on the bridge. That will help.
Karl Urban was perfect as Dr. McCoy, simply perfect. He was as handsome as McCoy. Urban's appearance helped me believe he was Bones. Also, his delivery was talented, like DeForest Kelley. Urban had the impatient, sarcastic, and acerbic tones down pat.
And the explanation for his name, Bones, was hilarious and a bonus. Kudos for that line! The writer's did something right!
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 16, 2012 19:43:51 GMT -5
That's interesting. I've been very critical of the film, more for plot purposes than for casting.
It's no secret how big a Shatner fan I am. I was livid over Shatner's non use in the last one. You're making a movie that involves time travel and changing history and you don't undo Generations and bring in Kirk Prime?
Ok, technically they did undo Generations, but they undid the entire franchise, including the 24th century.
That said, I was fine with 5 out of the 7 actors. I had no problem with Pine as Kirk. Most of the issues were with the writing. Kirk's life changed so much that it's hard to see him growing into the great legend he would become.
Yes, Shatner was better. Much better. But Pine was in a tough situation. He can't act like Shatner acting like Kirk. I do remember one scene where he sat in the chair a certain way that echoed Shatner's mannerism. I liked that. But he needed to channel the character more than the actor.
I want to see the classic Kirk in the next one.
I was fine with Quinto as Spock. Again, he's no Nimoy. Nimoy had an intangible about playing Spock that could only come from inventing the character. It wasn't lack of chemistry that made me hate the Spock/Uhura romance. It was the out of character aspect of it.
I agree this should be dropped, but I think it's a safe bet that won't happen. I fully expect the writers, despite knowing this romance pissed off a lot of fans, to keep it going.
I had no issue with Saldana at all. Uhura, while very important, isn't as major as the others. She's there to be a strong female who is hot.
John Cho? He's fine as well. I just didn't like the incompetent piloting. These people should all be prodigies.
As for Urban, I couldn't agree more. Best casting.
But Pegg and Yelchin? I'd actually recast.
I wouldn't have put Chekov in the first movie. I would have waited until the second or third.
He's too young. He should be about 11 years old. So basically, Nero managed to speed up Chekov's birth.
And Scotty was horribly cast. Pegg is a good actor, but you're right about the look. He was all wrong. But worse, he was written as comic relief, which was only a minor part of Scotty. The man was a serious and genius engineer.
Having him going down a water slide was terrible. He's not a buffoon. They got the McCoy humor right. But the Scotty humor was way off.
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Post by mxxpwr on Feb 18, 2012 11:46:32 GMT -5
from: cram
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Yes, Shatner was better. Much better. But Pine was in a tough situation. He can't act like Shatner acting like Kirk. I do remember one scene where he sat in the chair a certain way that echoed Shatner's mannerism. I liked that. But he needed to channel the character more than the actor.
I want to see the classic Kirk in the next one.
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That's it in a nutshell. Pine can't act like Kirk, because Kirk isn't Kirk anymore. Not timeline/experiences-wise anyway.
So, in a way, Pine had it easy, lol.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 20, 2012 10:37:41 GMT -5
Right, but I always say that despite the timeline changes, they NEED to write the characters in the familiar way, or it defeats the purpose of using them.
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Post by Mel on Feb 26, 2012 8:12:43 GMT -5
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Post by Mel on Feb 26, 2012 8:30:09 GMT -5
Well, I didn't discuss that because we've gone round it and round it. By we, I mean all us diehard Trek fans. The destruction of the TOS timeline was wrong. Just plain wrong. Seemingly, there is no way around it because TPTB don't care, or worse, don't even even agree that they did it!
My bad. I overlooked him. I love John Cho in everything.
Gawd, that works for me. But we both know it won't happen.
That's interesting. I never thought of the water slide, as you call it, as an attempt at humor. Scotty's life was in danger. I was worried about him.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 26, 2012 10:13:34 GMT -5
Those pictures are definitely new. "Well, I didn't discuss that because we've gone round it and round it. By we, I mean all us diehard Trek fans. The destruction of the TOS timeline was wrong. Just plain wrong. Seemingly, there is no way around it because TPTB don't care, or worse, don't even even agree that they did it!" That's my biggest problem. Abrams and his group try to argue that the original timeline still exists. That's interesting. I never thought of the water slide, as you call it, as an attempt at humor. Scotty's life was in danger. I was worried about him. To me, it was stupid slapstick. Star Trek DOES have humor, but at times, it was executed poorly in that movie. The Karl Urban scenes were a better example of real Trek humor. |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Feb 26, 2012 12:16:47 GMT -5
Cumberbatch has a Starfleet insignia on his shirt, so if he is indeed the villain, he's perhaps some sort of Starfleet cadet. This strongly suggests to me that they may be going the Gary Mitchell route.
-TK
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 26, 2012 14:31:59 GMT -5
The current batch of IDW comics has the new timeline going through adventures from the old timeline. If the new villain was Gary Mitchell, I don't think that they would have started with a Gary Mitchell story. You could be right, but it wouldn't be logical.
Unless of course, they were doing a sequel to that story, but if they were, they'd have to somehow canonize the comic.
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Feb 26, 2012 15:11:23 GMT -5
Hmm... you're right. I had forgotten they had already started doing some of this in the comics.
It's curious for the villain to be in Starfleet though. At least it's not an "outside threat" like every other Trek movie has been (except Insurrection and TUC to a degree).
Part of me wants it to be Finnegan, just so he can yell "Fight me, Jimmy!" in the middle of that fight pictured.
-TK
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 26, 2012 20:21:41 GMT -5
I also don't like that we don't see Kirk fighting the big bad guy. If there's one thing I want to see in this one, is that Kirk is the big hero. His crew is his backup. Not his equal
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Post by CaptApril on Feb 27, 2012 21:18:11 GMT -5
I think this says it all....
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 28, 2012 7:04:24 GMT -5
One of these days, I may have to sit down and watch TMP again. But I'm like most and found it extremely boring. Maybe the idea of a cerebral movie is a good one, but you can be thought provoking AND entertaining at the same time.
The TOS series did that many times.
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Post by Mel on Feb 28, 2012 15:32:06 GMT -5
Wow, TK, you have better eyes than me! I zoomed that picture (emblem) but I can't make it out as Starfleet. If it weren't, though, Cram probably would have said something already.
Just because the bad guy is wearing it doesn't make him part of Starfleet. Maybe it's a disguise. Maybe.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 28, 2012 16:23:51 GMT -5
You definitely can make out the insignia, but that doesn't mean much. Anyone can be given a shirt. In the old timeline, it happened all the time, except usually they didn't get the insignia.
So it's POSSIBLE he's part of Starfleet, but not necessarily.
I hope it's not a villain within Starfleet.
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Feb 28, 2012 16:29:00 GMT -5
You know, I've started thinking about whether he's perhaps some kind of shapeshifter, so the clothing is disguise, as Mel suggested.
But still, it's an awful lot of speculation based solely on a couple of quick images.
But at least it makes the Khan rumors seem less likely.
-TK
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 29, 2012 9:34:19 GMT -5
Yes and no. If you remember, when they found the Botany Bay, they gave Khan a Starfleet uniform.
Khan also would be able to hold his own in a fight with Spock.
But Cumberbatch sure would be a questionable choice for Khan, especially with Nestor Campbell out there.
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Post by mxxpwr on Mar 1, 2012 14:22:27 GMT -5
From Mel
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Wow, TK, you have better eyes than me! I zoomed that picture (emblem) but I can't make it out as Starfleet. If it weren't, though, Cram probably would have said something already.
Just because the bad guy is wearing it doesn't make him part of Starfleet. Maybe it's a disguise. Maybe.
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True, Q always took to wearing Starfleet Unis when addressing Picard. Oh God! Did I just say Q aloud?! I'm sorry. I don't want to be responsible for giving them any bad ideas.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Mar 3, 2012 9:51:28 GMT -5
So there are some pictures showing up. I guess they could be considered spoilers, though in reality, they are just things like Chris Pine standing around off camera.
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Post by Mel on Mar 9, 2012 18:05:46 GMT -5
Had I seen the SF insignia on the guy's shirt, I wouldn't have posted it in this folder. Sorry. 
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Post by Mel on Mar 9, 2012 18:14:29 GMT -5
Could you please open a Spoilers folder for this movie? Thanks.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Mar 10, 2012 10:41:58 GMT -5
Sure, though remember, this isn't AOL. Anyone can open folders here.
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Post by CRAMBAM on May 1, 2012 13:06:27 GMT -5
Just to let you know that in the spoiler thread, I posted some new stuff. I wouldn't call them major spoilers, but it does move the plot forward.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on May 1, 2012 14:47:16 GMT -5
I avoid Spoilers. And I thought I would get to pick the next photos to be put up?  Have you ever tried centering the pictures you put up here? |
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