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Post by TrekBeatTK on Sept 22, 2014 21:51:47 GMT -5
From Badass Digest: Published September 22, 2014 by Devin Faraci
There’s A Part For William Shatner In STAR TREK 3
But will he do the cameo?
Leonard Nimoy has ended up being integral to the Star Trek reboot films, but William Shatner hasn't come near them yet. There was a cameo written into the first film for him, but it was dropped before shooting, and there was no place for him in Star Trek Into Darkness. Shatner himself has been vocal about wanting to appear in one of these movies, and it seems like with professed Trekkie Roberto Orci helming Star Trek 3 he may be getting his chance.
I have learned that the script for Star Trek 3 includes a scene that reteams Shatner and Nimoy onscreen as Kirk and Spock for the first time in canon since 1991's Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. It would be a pretty huge moment for fans of the franchise, and likely the last time we'll ever see Shatner as James T. Kirk in official continuity.
Will it happen? The movie is still a ways out from shooting, but unlike the cameo intended for 2009's Star Trek this appearance is plot-driven and integral enough that it might just survive any future revisions. And if it does, will Shatner - who can be prickly - agree to the appearance?-TK |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Sept 23, 2014 6:14:40 GMT -5
I think it depends.
First, is this article the first time Shatner is hearing about it?
How many times have we been down this road? Bad Robot has not treated Shatner well at all.
What would this scene entail?
The 2009 scene was garbage.
If this scene is plot driven, what happens to it? Does that mean the prime universe is involved in this movie? If so, I welcome it.
I don't want to see them follow the New Voyages route and just make Pine and Quinto older versions.
But of course let's face it, these rumors have come before. I fully expect Shatner or Orci to deny them, and fans to think they are lying, when in fact they are telling the truth.
When we have a comment by Shatner, I'll believe it.
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Post by captainbasil on Sept 23, 2014 6:43:12 GMT -5
As much as I hate the reboot films, to be fair , they should stand alone. I don't think Nimoy or Shatner should appear in them at all.
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Post by Mel on Sept 23, 2014 16:37:12 GMT -5
I agree.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Sept 24, 2014 7:11:28 GMT -5
This could well be a trial balloon, and I wouldn't be surprised if it comes directly from Roberto Orci. "Into Darkness" did okay at the box office, but not as well as they were hoping, and it opened weaker than their first film, and they know they pissed a fair contingent of the longstanding fan base off by what they did with Khan and how they chose to cast that particular role. They also snubbed longstanding fans repeatedly with both movies, hoping to bring in a fresh, new, younger crowd, not really caring if older fans chose not to be bothered with their newer and supposedly 'better' version of Trek. Now they realize that, domestically, having turned a lot of that original fan base off, they need those people to buy tickets and fill seats nevertheless. What Orci knowingly faces at this point is a third film that opens weaker than their sequel, and bringing in even less money overall their third time out.
With that writing already being on the wall, what would he and the studio executives that he answers to naturally be thinking?
That it's time for a gimmick, of course. And what gimmick stands to be more powerful, especially to old-time fans, than seeing Shatner and Nimoy pairing on the big screen again as Kirk and Spock after all these years?
Unfortunately, if they intend for it to be somehow post-Generations, Shatner has gotten too old at this point to somehow pick up where that character had left off, having definitively died for all to see. And if they have him and Nimoy playing the Pine and Quinto second generation versions of those characters as having aged, it won't carry the same punch.
But isn't it juicy that after having snubbed original Trek fans and taking them for granted to the extent they clearly have that they would now turn back to them to save their bacon and pull it out of the fire?
Just delicious I tell you. Very tasty indeed, at least from where I'm sitting.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Sept 24, 2014 9:32:24 GMT -5
It's the 50th anniversary.
They should follow Doctor Who's lead and embrace the entire history.
The new cast would only benefit from Shatner and Nimoy, and even Takei, Nichols, and Koenig, being there.
This movie should have every gimmick in the book because of the special circumstances behind it.
What I don't want to see is a repeat of the same mistake from 2009, where they lied, and gave false hope up to the last minute.
If he's in, great. If not, announce it fast.
Any plot with Shatner should involve a post Generations Kirk. Obviously, they have to account for the aging, be it that he was revived years ago and somehow transported to the other universe, or something to that effect.
That said, Shatner has already tweeted that he has not been contacted. Based on history, I believe him.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Sept 24, 2014 19:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by CRAMBAM on Sept 26, 2014 21:04:42 GMT -5
Not sure that's news. We scooped that website a couple days ago.  |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Sept 27, 2014 19:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by CRAMBAM on Sept 29, 2014 17:42:20 GMT -5
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Sept 29, 2014 17:44:25 GMT -5
So Shatner outright lied about this initially last week. I understand why he did it, but he could have just said "I haven't heard anything" and just left it at that rather than saying he was being 'used' to promote the next film. So the question is, what is it that Orci has in mind? And didn't I say this probably originated with him by the way? If it's Pine's Kirk and Quinto's Spock having aged fifty years I'll be very disappointed, but at the same time, I don't believe the seriousness of death should be played fast and loose with even in science fiction, or it's meaningless. What might have been interesting is if we were to find out that the Abramsverse is actually the Mirror universe, but I really don't see how they could pull that off at this point. It could be hilarious though with the right touches. Imagine if Shatner is going to play Mirror Kirk, having gone off the deep end, and having to be stopped. But they've already established Pine's Kirk and Quinto's Spock as good guys, so who knows what Orci is thinking, but I might be inclined to give Orci some credit if he actually came up with something like that. The turnabout could blow people's minds while also having the virtue of keeping the Prime universe intact. But I'm just thinking outside of the box obviously, so say what you will. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 1, 2014 22:58:18 GMT -5
Yes. He outright lied because he was told to lie.
I think after 20 years, bringing back Kirk would not be playing fast and loose with death.
I also think that a future version of Pine's Kirk would be dumb. Not only does it make no sense, but it gives us a knowledge that Pine's Kirk lives, and takes away the jeopardy of future movies-which of course is why they changed the timeline.
It's too late for that mirror universe idea, though it would be hilarious.
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Post by captainbasil on Oct 2, 2014 6:47:48 GMT -5
Whatever they do with the Shatner cameo, I'm sure it will be something that will piss me off.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 3, 2014 6:47:47 GMT -5
I hope not. I will only get pissed if they ignore Generations.
The cameo written for ST09 would have pissed me off because it was just a hologram image. Who cares about that?
But that cameo did have good dialogue. If it served as a early scene and ended with a real reunion of Kirk and Spock Prime, then it would be great.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Oct 6, 2014 17:56:38 GMT -5
Well, there you go --of course it was always going to be set in their newer timeline, since it's the only one that matters now as far as they're concerned. There's too much ego involved for that not to have been the case. I frankly don't give a shit if this is indeed the case. A wasted opportunity, yet again with people who think they know "Star Trek", but really do not when you get right down to it. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 6, 2014 20:07:18 GMT -5
That pretty much takes the wind out of the sails.
It'll be nice, but not the same thing. I don't really care about Future Pine.
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Post by captainbasil on Oct 7, 2014 6:47:13 GMT -5
That pretty much takes the wind out of the sails. It'll be nice, but not the same thing. I don't really care about Future Pine. I hate to say I told you so....  |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 9, 2014 6:44:34 GMT -5
It's not exactly the world's toughest prediction. But it's also a weak cop out. Who really cares about Future Pine?
They could have PINE play that part.
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