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Post by captainbasil on Aug 26, 2015 16:36:40 GMT -5
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Post by Mel on Aug 27, 2015 0:34:39 GMT -5
I'm not vested into SW like the rest of you, so I am not off-put by the idea of a deceased CGI character. I just hope it looks right. If anyone can, I guess it's ILM.
To me, Harrison Ford looks overly old and time worn, far more than his actual age. Maybe they should CGI him.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Sacrilege.
Do any of you remember the "Beef, it's what's for dinner" tv commercials? I think the best spokesperson for that was Robert Mitchum. I hoped they'd keep running his ads after he died, but that's not how it's done. I don't get that. If the estate is willing to lease his image and that voice, why not?
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Post by captainbasil on Aug 27, 2015 19:20:41 GMT -5
My complaint is not specifically about the Star Wars franchise, just the idea of creating new images and scenes of an actor when they're dead and have no say in the matter. Sure if Harrison Ford has no issue with a "Young" Ford appearing in a new Indy Movie and he's paid for it, that's fine. I just think the whole thing is creepy.  |
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Post by Mel on Aug 27, 2015 23:38:13 GMT -5
Creepy? Hmm. That never entered my mind.
I'm looking forward to the last installment of The Hunger Games movies. I've read that the late Philip Seymour Hoffman's character will be CGI.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Aug 28, 2015 10:17:19 GMT -5
I would think if the estates of the actor is ok with it, it's not that bad.
It would be interesting to see what they could do with CGI to say, make a young TOS crew take to the screen again.
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Aug 28, 2015 15:11:26 GMT -5
Creepy? Hmm. That never entered my mind.
I'm looking forward to the last installment of The Hunger Games movies. I've read that the late Philip Seymour Hoffman's character will be CGI. They ultimately decided against it. Most of his stuff had been shot and they did talk about CG replacement, but ultimately I think they just gave his lines to other people or cut them out. -TK |
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Post by payless on Aug 29, 2015 7:03:47 GMT -5
like what it's going to be about or when it's going to be released all my friends know about it but they don't know when its coming out Best answer for anybody who knows anything..
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Post by Mel on Aug 31, 2015 16:08:29 GMT -5
If you mean The Hunger Games Mockingjay Part 2, it's coming out November 20. From what I've read, Star Wars VII is coming out December 18.
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Post by Mel on Aug 31, 2015 16:13:43 GMT -5
Thanks TK. I hadn't heard. I'm a bit disappointed. I wanted to see him again. Oh well.
It's interesting that some (most? all?) of you think that using CGI to have a deceased actor portray his character is bad form. I wonder why it doesn't affect me the same way?
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Sept 1, 2015 7:42:57 GMT -5
Thanks TK. I hadn't heard. I'm a bit disappointed. I wanted to see him again. Oh well.
It's interesting that some (most? all?) of you think that using CGI to have a deceased actor portray his character is bad form. I wonder why it doesn't affect me the same way? I think he'll still have scenes in the movie. I'm okay with CGI to a point, only if it's done to honor an actor in their final role or something. I think they CG'd Oliver Reed a little bit when he died during the making of Gladiator. And the Doctor Who special with the few shots of prior Doctors CG'd in was fine as an homage to their history. But I don't want to see it become like "here I am performing with an Elvis hologram!" where we exploit someone's likeness so we can make new projects. Star Wars: Rogue One is a movie that doesn't need to exist. CG Peter Cushing doesn't feel like honoring him, to me. It feels like crass commercialism to get old fans to see the new movies. "Look, we've got Moff Tarkin!" -TK |
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Post by Mel on Sept 6, 2015 11:26:18 GMT -5
I just looked at stuff about SW Rogue One. It's a Disney movie? Who knew. I saw the photo of the cast. It looks so current. It could be a scene out of the Divergent series, or Pirates of the Caribbean, or Dark Matter on TV.
The plot is about them trying to get the plans for the Death Star. Doesn't that put it in the same time frame as the original three? If so, how can Ford as appear as an older Solo? Is the movie a flashback?
I was glad to see the name of Alan Tudyk (Firefly, Serenity) in the credits, but disappointed to read that he's apparently playing some kind of alien or droid, due to motion capture.
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Sept 7, 2015 19:30:54 GMT -5
I just looked at stuff about SW Rogue One. It's a Disney movie? Who knew. I saw the photo of the cast. It looks so current. It could be a scene out of the Divergent series, or Pirates of the Caribbean, or Dark Matter on TV.
The plot is about them trying to get the plans for the Death Star. Doesn't that put it in the same time frame as the original three? If so, how can Ford as appear as an older Solo? Is the movie a flashback?
I was glad to see the name of Alan Tudyk (Firefly, Serenity) in the credits, but disappointed to read that he's apparently playing some kind of alien or droid, due to motion capture. I think Rogue One is meant to be an anthology film, covering different things. I don't know; I'm not following it all. Star Wars is now a Disney property since Lucasfilm was sold to them like Marvel. So all the new Star Wars movies will be Disney films. I truly don't care about any of the extra movies, and am only partially interested in Episodes VII, VIII, IX -TK |
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Post by captainbasil on Sept 16, 2015 19:10:56 GMT -5
So when is the first movie supposed to come out ?
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Sept 19, 2015 11:25:33 GMT -5
So when is the first movie supposed to come out ? Episode VII: The Force Awakens will be released December 18, 2015 -TK |
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Post by captainbasil on Sept 21, 2015 6:49:03 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by CRAMBAM on Sept 22, 2015 7:12:25 GMT -5
Apparently the original movies are going to be released on blu ray. Han shoots first.
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Post by Mel on Sept 24, 2015 0:34:15 GMT -5
That is so wrong.
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Post by captainbasil on Sept 24, 2015 5:22:16 GMT -5
Are the Indiana Jones movies just dreams Han Solo is having while he's frozen in Carbonite ?
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Post by Mel on Sept 27, 2015 23:05:52 GMT -5
Haha, too funny! 
When Indy shot the guy with the whip, that was wrong too. Hugely funny, but wrong IMO.
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Post by Mel on Dec 20, 2015 15:39:23 GMT -5
The movie has already broken some box office records, and, in a couple of days, made more than half a billion dollars worldwide. Rotten Tomatoes critics gave it a 95% rating, and the public gave it 93%. Have any of you seen it? What do you think? Will there be any living with Abrams ego now?
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Dec 21, 2015 14:16:57 GMT -5
The movie has already broken some box office records, and, in a couple of days, made more than half a billion dollars worldwide. Rotten Tomatoes critics gave it a 95% rating, and the public gave it 93%. Have any of you seen it? What do you think? Will there be any living with Abrams ego now? I saw it. I was very disappointed. I will see it again but I kind of didn't like it at all. Some bits were good, but something felt off about it from the very beginning. Similar to his Trek movies but not as bad as Into Darkness. It wasn't as bad a movie as Attack of the Clones, but it just wasn't Star Wars to me. Can't go in depth without spoilers, but I was very underwhelmed. I'd rather watch Phantom Menace. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Dec 22, 2015 13:35:01 GMT -5
I think it was very overrated. I don't think it was THAT bad. I give it a 6.5 to a 7.
SPOILERS
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My biggest problem, which will shock most of you, is how Abrams killed off Han Solo. While not as bad as Kirk in Generations, it was pretty bad. The problem is that when you kill a legendary character, it breaks the 4th wall. I'm not thinking, Ben Solo killed Han. I'm thinking, JJ Abrams killed Han.
Han is too popular, too important, and too legendary to be killed off at all. If it were me, I would have had a second Solo child. A good one, who tried to talk his brother down. Then Ben would kill him in front of his parents.
But worse, after that, Ben Solo turned into a whiny Millennial. How does someone who trained with the Force all his life, for good OR evil, lose to Rey, who never picked up a lightsaber?
The goal was to make Ben Solo evil, but they made him a wimp.
I liked Rey, but to have her beat Ben was just awful. Hell, Finn, who may not even be Force sensitive, held his own. Does training mean anything? Why not use the Force to throw Rey against a tree?
As for Luke, give him second billing, but don't give him any lines? Really? That's a huge cheat. We now have to wait another 18 months for that.
I liked Rey, Finn and Poe. The new heroes are very good. But the new villains? Not so much.
I disagree with the idea that this isn't Star Wars. Of course it was. It was practically a REMAKE. I hate the prequels, but at least Lucas didn't remake his movies. Abrams didn't stray from the original much--at least with the major themes. Droid has info everyone needs, find the droid, new Jedi meets wise older man, that man takes her under his wing and gets killed, it's horrible, and they destroy a Death Star.
Sounds pretty Star Wars to me.
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Post by Mel on Dec 24, 2015 13:48:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the reviews, guys.
Oh my. Mark Hamill didn't get a single line? I wonder if some ended up on the cutting room floor. Otherwise, it seems like he would have protested, and maybe had enough clout, to get a few lines.
I read that Harrison Ford is getting a small percentage of the movie. Han Solo dies. I didn't expect that, and as Marc said, there was no need to kill off an iconic character. Maybe Ford was offered enough that he was happy to do it. (I still respect Shatner's choice.) The next SW is already filming, and according to the credits, Han Solo will be in it.
I'm waiting for the DVD.
Btw, I live in a small community. Still, people waited two hours in line to see the movie (every showing), and most had prepurchased their tickets.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Dec 27, 2015 4:02:48 GMT -5
<Major SPOILERS Ahead!!!>
I'm with both of you guys on this. I went to a late IMAX showing tonight, and something about it just felt off to me too. But all of Marc's criticisms otherwise are pretty much spot-on. I couldn't deal with Rey being stronger than her cousin, who has been trained for a long time by Masters of the Dark Side. And the murder of Han Solo I saw coming. There was simply no way Ren was going to capitulate that easily. And we're not even sure why it is he so hates his father. They really didn't go into that enough for it to carry real weight IMO. Okay, so Leia sent him away to be trained, but where did all this bitter, harsh resentment come into play? And if the kid was just a bad apple, why was it that Han wasn't bright enough to see and get that? He's pretty shrewd as a rogue and a renegade --always has been. Okay, so maybe his love for his son clouds his judgment, but again, there wasn't enough of a background story there to put those pieces together. And what kind of father is Luke if he just abandoned his daughter the way he did? That storyline gave real meaning to the term deadbeat Dad unfortunately, which is very unStar Wars. They do establish Rey as being a good fighter and able to hold her own, but she had no training whatsoever with regard to The Force. I think it was their way of setting up her character as being even stronger than Luke. She's a throwback to the most powerful Jedi of the past in this new generation, but there were a lot of gaps in putting that out there in the film, and apparently she's stronger than Ren, which was why he feared her, and why she was able to stand and hold her own, and even best him in combat. Still --there was plenty of emphasis as to why Luke needed training in the first trilogy, and that basic message was completely overlooked here somehow. Yes, she goes to her father in the end to hand him back his light saber, but look where and how she was left behind by him. WTF?
I agree with Marc's rating pretty much. 6.5 to 7 is reasonable, and were either of you at all bothered by how much the ships and tech looks consistent with what was shown in the first trilogy despite it being thirty-five years later? If anything, everything looks all backwards, with the second trilogy looking more technically advanced and sophisticated compared to what's being used sixty years later. That also bothered me
However, my brain is starting to shut down now because it's 4am, so that will have to suffice for now.
Oh, and Mel --I'm not sure why you don't mind having the movie Spoiled for you even though you're not that into SW as you said ...but it does kind of kill the experience once you do sit down to watch it.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Dec 29, 2015 8:17:42 GMT -5
Some thoughts--
So let's say that every Jedi and Sith has some sort of conflict between the dark and light side of the Force. A normal Force sensitive can handle the opposite of whichever side they choose. Kenobi and Yoda chose the light, and lived their lives and the dark side wasn't that big of a deal to them. Palpatine of course chose the dark side, and from what we know, the light wasn't a big deal to him.
But suppose Skywalkers are different. Their Force sensitivity is off the charts, whether you call it midichlorians or the mystical element--they are different.
We really, so far, have dealt with 4 Skywalkers, with a possible 5th. Leia didn't train at all and didn't develop her abilities one bit. So any issues with her simply don't come to the forefront. Like most physical abilities, if it's not developed, it's not developed.
So let's look at the three others that we know developed their abilities.
First, we have Anakin. Highly talented individual. He spent his early life training to be a Jedi, and the dark side in him became so strong, he gave into it. He developed both his light side and his dark side. He made terrible choices, but never suppressed either side. We don't know for certain, but it does seem like the conflict between light and dark never ended. He suppressed the light side for a long time, but it was never gone, and it WAS developed.
Second, we have Kylo. Born a Force sensitive, he must have been a Force sensitive version of Bart Simpson, because Leia was worried enough to send him to train with Luke. At that point, he starts training with the light side, but like his grandfather, gave in to the dark side and spent the latter part of his life developing that. We meet the guy and he is clearly conflicted. Light and dark are waging a battle in his soul, and while we don't know where he will end up, we do know that both sides have been developed to an extent, and this conflict continues.
So finally that brings us to Luke. The Emperor felt Luke's anger and hate for him, and tried to get him to turn to the dark side. Luke refused. Luke, as far as we know, is the only Skywalker to completely reject the dark side in all forms. He fought it, he suppressed it, and he absolutely refused to develop it.
But he's also a Skywalker. What if the Force won't allow a Skywalker to be so noble? What if the dark side, or light side for that matter, is so strong in any Skywalker, that it is impossible to completely suppress either side?
What if Luke's failure to acknowledge or develop the dark side in his soul caused the battle between the light and dark became so powerful so difficult, that like a bomb, it exploded?
We know from canon that the Force CAN create life. Like it or not, Vader is a fatherless conception of the Force.
What if by suppressing the dark side of the Force for so long, due to his natural power within the Force, the dark side in Luke somehow separated himself into another life form, just as powerful as Luke, but free from that suppression?
Think Luke being split into two lifeforms, a little like Kirk in Enemy Within or Superman/Clark in Superman III, except that both sides are stable and sane.
Luke would be free of that demon, but that demon would also be free of Luke. Could that dark side of the Force become the Supreme Leader/Snoke?
No one knew except Luke and Snoke that they were once one person. Luke now has an enemy just as powerful as he is, that he wouldn't necessarily be able to defeat, without help.
Wouldn't that be a better explanation of Luke going into exile than one bad student? It would also give Luke a pass for not raising Rey, if she is his daughter.
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Post by Mel on Dec 29, 2015 18:35:01 GMT -5
Gary, I don't mind being spoiled about this movie because I don't care about it. Also, at my age, I'll forget a lot of this anyway. As you and Cram discuss it, it's already too complicated for me.
Cram said Mark Hamill didn't have lines. I read that his voice opens the movie. Did it? Or was it just in a trailer? Hamill repeated something he said years ago. The new sound track was added to the old one for reverberation.
Poor Hamill; no clout. Before Disney officially bought the franchise, George Lucas told him (and Carrie Fisher, at a different meeting) that if they wouldn't reprise their roles, Disney would drop the characters. Meanwhile, Harrison got a small percentage of the take, and on-set was treated like a god.
It was interesting to read about several actors who had cameo performances, like Daniel Craig as a stormtrooper, and Simon Pegg as Unkar Plutt.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Dec 30, 2015 9:36:32 GMT -5
His voice is not in the movie at all. There was a bit of a vocal in the trailer--it was a paraphrase of a line from ROTJ.
I'm guessing, based on things I've read, that Luke's role was so small because once he enters, he dominates.
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Dec 31, 2015 9:55:54 GMT -5
His voice is not in the movie at all. There was a bit of a vocal in the trailer--it was a paraphrase of a line from ROTJ. I'm guessing, based on things I've read, that Luke's role was so small because once he enters, he dominates. Yes, the trailer voice over is just dialogue lifted from Jedi and edited slightly. The Luke thing speaks to one of my many problems with this movie, that it's too much like a TV pilot with lots of teased set-ups but very little substance on its own. What even is the story of this movie? Is it about the search for Luke? Because that seems to be put on the backburner. Is it the Starkiller Base? Because that seems forced in there. The ending scene was good, but felt like it didn't quite belong there; not like the ending of a Star Wars movie at all. I want to see the movie again before I really address a number of the criticisms. But I was very disappointed in the lack of Leia after where here character was going in Jedi. -TK |
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Post by trekkielo on Jan 21, 2016 0:41:19 GMT -5
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Post by captainbasil on Jan 30, 2016 21:22:34 GMT -5
Wow. I may just wait and rent this.
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