'Discovery’ Will Feature A Gay Couple

[StarFuryG7]

Okay, so ...what do people think?

Is this what you watch 'Star Trek' for?

‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Will Feature Two Gay Characters – And They Are A Couple

[captainbasil]

I am less and less interested in this show. I have subscription fatigue when it comes to Streaming Services. This show looks like another Dark Gritty snooze fest. I will watch the first episode if it is convenient to do so.

[kilted911]

I really couldn’t care less that Discovery has a gay couple. I realize I’m replying to a post that was made a few years ago, but I hope you stuck with Discovery. Season One had me scratching my head, wondering WTF is going on. But I hung in there, and I’m glad I did. But getting back to your question, nope, don’t care. I don’t care about mixed race relationships, same sex relationships, or human-alien relationships.

[TrekBeatTK]

I refuse to pay for CBS All Access, so I will always be behind. But I did buy DISCO 1 and 2 on DVD. While I thought season 2 improved some, I still hated an awful lot of it. Much of the story was incomprehensible and I despise that they decided to give Spock a learning disability out of nowhere. I just hate how they write it. So I have no expectations for season 3 and am just trying not to be spoiled.

[kilted911]

At the time, I had a similar reaction regarding Spock’s learning disability. Then I thought that the writers just finished watching (the amazing) The King’s Speech or something. Or they wanted younger viewers with learning disabilities to know that they too can become as awesome as Spock. Still, I wasn’t too thrilled about it, but I was pretty much ‘whatever’ about it and had honestly forgotten about until you brought it up.

[CRAMBAM]

The gay couple thing isn't why I watch Star Trek. Plus, a lot of times these shows just do it less as an organic part of the show but as a means of saying, "look at us, we are SOOOO woke." It gets shoehorned in. Supergirl was notorious for that.

An example of where it's organic was Sulu in Star Trek Beyond. While making Sulu gay in the first place was a bad decision in my opinion (just because Takei is gay doesn't mean the character is), the execution was very well done.

I don't care if people are gay or not. I don't have any issue with it at all, but it's not entertainment to me. I don't want to see same sex love scenes. I fast-forward that. Usually, they add nothing to the plot.

When season 3 is finished, I'm going to give Season 3 a chance.

They apparently did something in Season 3 that I have argued needed to be done for a very long time. I want to check it out.

[StarFuryG7]

See, here's the thing you hit on your below post, which is what it really comes down to for me: you don't watch "Star Trek" for that, and neither do I. That's what gets me. There are ways of handling it that wouldn't have to be so in-your-face, so to speak, but they want to be bold and in our faces about it.

And I know what you're saying about "Supergirl," which I stopped watching after its first season or so because they went too far with all the woke PC bs.

But I don't watch Trek to see gay couples or transgender people. To me that's not consistent with the original show and is a turnoff.

And it's not just with these two shows, it's with series TV in general now. I had to stop watching "Law and Order: SVU" years ago because it got so bad with that stuff. And now they're bringing Christopher Meloni's character back to spark interest, but Meloni is another anti-Trump kook, so even though I liked him in the show originally way back when, I suspect it too will be insufferable and unwatchable.

But this is all tied together. They've ruined 'Doctor Who' with this stuff, just as they've ruined the Trek franchise with it, just as they've ruined much if not most of TV with it.

So I just tune it out now. As soon as I see it, off.

Dec 29, 2020 7:25:57 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

The gay couple thing isn't why I watch Star Trek. Plus, a lot of times these shows just do it less as an organic part of the show but as a means of saying, "look at us, we are SOOOO woke." It gets shoehorned in. Supergirl was notorious for that.

An example of where it's organic was Sulu in Star Trek Beyond. While making Sulu gay in the first place was a bad decision in my opinion (just because Takei is gay doesn't mean the character is), the execution was very well done.

I don't care if people are gay or not. I don't have any issue with it at all, but it's not entertainment to me. I don't want to see same sex love scenes. I fast-forward that. Usually, they add nothing to the plot.

When season 3 is finished, I'm going to give Season 3 a chance.

They apparently did something in Season 3 that I have argued needed to be done for a very long time. I want to check it out.

[CRAMBAM]

I think the problem becomes more apparent when it seems like all they are doing is checking the box. It's like the writers want to say, "look! A transgender! Look! A gay couple! Look how modern and woke we are!"

In Star Trek Beyond, they did something similar with Sulu in practice. Even George Takei didn't like that Sulu was made gay. But at least the EXECUTION was done well. It took no real time from the movie. It wasn't gratuitous. It just happened.

Compare that to the same sex kiss at the end of Star Wars Rise of Skywalker, where it was obviously there as a "look at me" moment.

I don't feel that Star Trek was ruined by the wokeness. In some ways, it stinks. It is the reason I'm not a huge fan of the characters, though again, I did enjoy Season 2.

The bad part is that it is not "must watch day one" anymore.

I think we may need a Supergirl thread. What sucks about that show is I REALLY want to enjoy it. When the show isn't woke, it is good.

[StarFuryG7]

Dec 29, 2020 13:02:43 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

I think the problem becomes more apparent when it seems like all they are doing is checking the box. It's like the writers want to say, "look! A transgender! Look! A gay couple! Look how modern and woke we are!"

In Star Trek Beyond, they did something similar with Sulu in practice. Even George Takei didn't like that Sulu was made gay. But at least the EXECUTION was done well. It took no real time from the movie. It wasn't gratuitous. It just happened.

I would argue that it was gratuitous. Just the fact that they had to do it made it gratuitous. And as you mentioned, the character in the original show and movies wasn't gay. That's why it was gratuitous. Woke nonsense trumps established characterizations every time in our brave new world, and that's why I have less and less interest in series television and movies. I also don't like the arrogance of big movie stars, and if they're going to talk down to me and trash me on the basis of which political candidate or candidates I support, I don't see why I should help make them any richer by going to see their movies.

[StarFuryG7]

Dec 28, 2020 17:58:21 GMT -5 kilted911 said:

I really couldn’t care less that Discovery has a gay couple. I realize I’m replying to a post that was made a few years ago, but I hope you stuck with Discovery. Season One had me scratching my head, wondering WTF is going on. But I hung in there, and I’m glad I did. But getting back to your question, nope, don’t care. I don’t care about mixed race relationships, same sex relationships, or human-alien relationships.

My problem with it is that's not what I've ever watched Trek for. And Trek focused on a whole lot of other things for decades for the most part, and successfully, without having to go there.

And then where did they go next? Adding a transgender character to the show, and the media touting what a bright future the Trek franchise supposedly has in the years ahead as though that's some great triumph.

And meanwhile I never saw any sign of it in the original show or the movies that followed.

That's my problem with it. Partly the inconsistency of it.

And then they take it to a whole other level when you have two men starting to touch and kiss each other and so forth, and if you're not into that stuff to begin with, well, then you have a problem.

And also let's not forget that in the TNG era, Paramount was very conscious of being family friendly, knowing that there were adults who grew up watching 'Star Trek,' and who at that point had small children of their own.

But now all of that has gone out the airlock.

I watched the first two seasons of DSC, and the first season of STP, and I don't know...all I can say is I feel like they've left fans like me behind, and they have, because I'm no longer a part of the demographic they care about.

[CRAMBAM]

I would argue that it was gratuitous. Just the fact that they had to do it made it gratuitous. And as you mentioned, the character in the original show and movies wasn't gay. That's why it was gratuitous. Woke nonsense trumps established characterizations every time in our brave new world, and that's why I have less and less interest in series television and movies. I also don't like the arrogance of big movie stars, and if they're going to talk down to me and trash me on the basis of which political candidate or candidates I support, I don't see why I should help make them any richer by going to see their movies.

I get that. I won't even dispute it. The decision to DO it was gratuitous. I just feel the execution was not. I honestly don't blame you for feeling how you do about entertainment.

And also let's not forget that in the TNG era, Paramount was very conscious of being family friendly, knowing that there were adults who grew up watching 'Star Trek,' and who at that point had small children of their own.

They don't think that this stuff is NOT family friendly. That itself is a problem.

[StarFuryG7]

Dec 28, 2020 21:30:14 GMT -5 TrekBeatTK said:

I refuse to pay for CBS All Access, so I will always be behind. But I did buy DISCO 1 and 2 on DVD. While I thought season 2 improved some, I still hated an awful lot of it. Much of the story was incomprehensible and I despise that they decided to give Spock a learning disability out of nowhere. I just hate how they write it. So I have no expectations for season 3 and am just trying not to be spoiled.

Be careful. I had a major spoiler that I believe CRAM was alluding to previously ruined for me by a news item that randomly appeared in my articles feed. I know what happens in it now, and it's pretty big. If I was still following the show I would already know about it, but I don't even care because to me that show isn't Trek. It's something else entirely.

[TrekBeatTK]

Dec 31, 2020 1:51:35 GMT -5 StarFuryG7 said:

Be careful. I had a major spoiler that I believe CRAM was alluding to previously ruined for me by a news item that randomly appeared in my articles feed. I know what happens in it now, and it's pretty big. If I was still following the show I would already know about it, but I don't even care because to me that show isn't Trek. It's something else entirely.

Yeah, I've already heard a few spoilery things. But I'm just not seeking out more info about it.

[CRAMBAM]

I am looking forward to watching Season 3 and seeing if that spoiler I think I read about exists. It will reignite and end a pretty big conversation we once had. If I am right, it should be a topic on this board. But what I will do is make a Season 3 thread, (or someone else can), and then anyone who hasn't seen it can enter at their own risk of being spoiled.

The only thing I can say is that if I'm right, this is something that affects the franchise as a whole, not so much any of the characters on Discovery.

It's just something I need to see for myself.