Anyone around?

[CRAMBAM]

One of the reasons I stopped posting--the main reason actually, was that the forum just wasn't active. I tried other Trek forums, and for the most part, they kind of suck.

They're active, and they have some good people, but it is clear that unless you are some uber left wing socialist, you are not welcome.

Even the moderators get involved in their bigotry that I have found.

I would love to reactivate this board for discussions, and allow people who have issues with ultra liberal policies that have hurt TV to speak freely. Likewise, liberals are welcome, as true freedom of speech allows for such discussion.

In the mean time, maybe I will start and comment on threads, even if I'm by myself, for awhile.

[Mel]

Hello! Glad to see your post.

I have missed your board forever. It's my favorite. I'd love to see it get going again. I tried others, especially those Gary recommended, but to me, they weren't that interesting. I did like Reddit for the tv show, Colony, but that died an early death.

As you know, I lean left. You said: "I would love to reactivate this board for discussions, and allow people who have issues with ultra liberal policies that have hurt TV to speak freely. Likewise, liberals are welcome, as true freedom of speech allows for such discussion." I'm not sure how this has "hurt TV." I don't like ultra liberals any more than the ultra-right. They are both too extreme for me.

When Trump ran the first time, I assumed all of you voted for him. I take it from you statement that you don't have any regrets about that, and voted for him again.

Many Republicans I know, particularly evangelical Christians, came to regret their choice and did not vote for Trump a second time. A few I know actually left the Rep party, because they no longer recognize the party, and became Dems.

Unfortunately, my ultra-right relatives weren't among them. These blood kin truly believe that only white people are God's people. They truly believe that killing blacks (Asians, fill in the blank) isn't the same as killing human beings. They reside in the South and Midwest. In my 30's, I thought that, over time, their children and children's children would have a less rigid belief system. I was shocked to realize that these ultra-rigid beliefs run through all the generations.

I cannot wait until this never-ending election ordeal is over.

Pax - Mel

[CRAMBAM]

It was really inactivity that was the problem with this board. I'll check periodically, but the problem is that I tend to forget. Activity would get me in the habit.

Trying not to get TOO political, but if you're not ultra left, you are capable of seeing what I see. The ultra left controls TV. A perfect example of this is Supergirl, and how they treat Superman.

But on other boards, you bring this up, you get banned.

As for Trump, yes, I was quite happy with him. Trump actually got MORE votes this time around than last time. I don't know too many people who regretted voting for him. But I guess that's a completely different topic.

You'd be surprised in that in my experience, conservatives are the tolerant ones and it's the left that is too rigid.

I'll give an example.

I made a friend on a vacation in 2019. Very nice person, and we got along well and became facebook friends.

We didn't talk much. She lived in Canada, I live in NYC, but it was a typical facebook friendship.

One day out of the blue, she messages me asking if I support Trump. When I said yes, I also asked if that changed anything. I happen to live in a part of the country where there are so many intolerant liberals that it sometimes feels like being black in the deep south in the 1870s.

She said it did. I tried to have a civil conversation about it, but she blew it off.

On election day, she sent me a nasty meme calling me a racist, a homophobe, an islamophobe, a misogynist AND transphobe. That's a lot for a meme and for someone I had only had a nice facebook friendship with. Then I was unfriended.

Was this extreme? Yes. Was it uncommon? Sadly no.

"Killing blacks, Asians, fill in the blank"--those are NOT conservative views nor are they Republican views. Those people are just assholes, and bigots and racists exist on both sides of the aisle. I denounce those views with every ounce of my being.

I wish we could get this board going.

As I think of it, I'll just post here and there. Others are welcome to come and post their opinions and thoughts. I need to watch Discovery Season 3. I'll get to it sometime next month. I hear a rumor it ended a very big controversy--one in which we touched upon here in the past.

[kilted911]

Wow. Crambam from the old AOL message boards! It’s been a long time. I wonder if StarFuryG7 is still around? You two are the only two people whose screen names I remember from way back when. Oh, and Really4Rob, but I think his main function back then was to antagonize.

I gotta be honest with you. I’ll start hanging around here, but one of the things that was so off putting about the old AOL Trek boards was that those were, for the most part, just a bunch of people nitpicking the shiznit out of whatever series was running at the time.

When I started CBS All Access, I was having a hard time sticking with Discovery. I stuck it out and I’m glad I did. Season two was really good, and I’m loving season three. If these boards are going to be inundated with hostile negativity about DISCO, then I probably won’t hang out for too long.

[StarFuryG7]

Weird how my device just flashed me an email notification at the top of my screen about a message from here that arrived in my AOL mailbox.

Life can be weird sometimes.

I'm really disillusioned myself. Wokeism has ruined social media, the news media has been consumed by the left. I can't even watch the new season of STD, as much as I already hated it anyway, but once news broke about the transgender character I said that's it. I haven't bothered with it.

Let's see 2:19am, I'm off from work this week for the holidays but am starting to get tired and punchy now, so maybe I'll expand on this more soon.

Reddit...sigh...I haven't been to the Trek forum there literally in years, and that service has a real problem because it too has been all but consumed by wokeism. So the subs for shows that I like, such as "The Expanse," which I'm a big fan of, have also been ruined by that garbage.

2020 has been a shit year in so many respects that I will be glad to see it finish in just a few days. Let's hope 2021 is a better year for God sake.

Nov 25, 2020 8:23:58 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

One of the reasons I stopped posting--the main reason actually, was that the forum just wasn't active. I tried other Trek forums, and for the most part, they kind of suck.

They're active, and they have some good people, but it is clear that unless you are some uber left wing socialist, you are not welcome.

Even the moderators get involved in their bigotry that I have found.

I would love to reactivate this board for discussions, and allow people who have issues with ultra liberal policies that have hurt TV to speak freely. Likewise, liberals are welcome, as true freedom of speech allows for such discussion.

In the mean time, maybe I will start and comment on threads, even if I'm by myself, for awhile.

[StarFuryG7]

Dec 13, 2020 4:07:48 GMT -5 Mel said:

I cannot wait until this never-ending election ordeal is over.

Pax - Mel

Trump has been a good President for the most part, although I understand that his brash and abrasive style isn't for everyone and that some people would be turned off by it. He didn't deserve the four-plus years of hell that the left has put him through though, and he certainly didn't deserve having the election stolen from him the way it was.

You say some Republicans left the party supposedly because of Trump, and I say good because they were probably Romney-type Republicans, meaning RINO's --at best, RINO's-- and those people need to go. Notice how Romney not only lost the 2012 election due to his not having a spine, but has continually given aid and comfort to the opposition left these last few years. And I voted for the man in the '08 primary, and in the general election in 2012. They're a problem, Republicans like him. They're not good for the country.

Oh, and for all you were saying about your family and their background and so forth, Trump is not a racist, just to be clear. He had record black and Hispanics voting for him this election cycle, and he received about eleven million more votes than he got four years ago (incumbents that perform that way in their second run don't lose the election by the way...just saying). He's not your typical Republican. I get that. And he's done nothing about overspending, which I don't like. So there are things I like about him as well as things I don't like about how he runs things. But they're all like that now, with the out of control spending. Hopefully I'll no longer be around when that bill becomes due, but future generations I do worry about.

Nice seeing you, Mel. I'm just putting this out there not just as a response to your message, but so people have an idea as to where I stand if I'm going to be posting here more often. It's probably going to come up here or there, and so I want my cards already on the table, so to speak.

[StarFuryG7]

Dec 28, 2020 17:46:39 GMT -5 kilted911 said:

Wow. Crambam from the old AOL message boards! It’s been a long time. I wonder if StarFuryG7 is still around? You two are the only two people whose screen names I remember from way back when. Oh, and Really4Rob, but I think his main function back then was to antagonize.

I gotta be honest with you. I’ll start hanging around here, but one of the things that was so off putting about the old AOL Trek boards was that those were, for the most part, just a bunch of people nitpicking the shiznit out of whatever series was running at the time.

When I started CBS All Access, I was having a hard time sticking with Discovery. I stuck it out and I’m glad I did. Season two was really good, and I’m loving season three. If these boards are going to be inundated with hostile negativity about DISCO, then I probably won’t hang out for too long.

Hey man. How are you doing?

I haven't watched it since the end of S2, so I don't think that's going to be a problem.

Have you watched "The Expanse" on Amazon?

Now that I can definitely talk about here if anyone is up for it.

[CRAMBAM]

Dec 28, 2020 17:46:39 GMT -5 kilted911 said:

Wow. Crambam from the old AOL message boards! It’s been a long time. I wonder if StarFuryG7 is still around? You two are the only two people whose screen names I remember from way back when. Oh, and Really4Rob, but I think his main function back then was to antagonize.

I gotta be honest with you. I’ll start hanging around here, but one of the things that was so off putting about the old AOL Trek boards was that those were, for the most part, just a bunch of people nitpicking the shiznit out of whatever series was running at the time.

When I started CBS All Access, I was having a hard time sticking with Discovery. I stuck it out and I’m glad I did. Season two was really good, and I’m loving season three. If these boards are going to be inundated with hostile negativity about DISCO, then I probably won’t hang out for too long.

I guess that group email worked a bit.

I didn't really like Season 1 of Discovery much. None of the characters they introduced really connected with me. I did like Season 2 more. Unfortunately, that was mostly because of Pike. I thought Anson Mount did a terrific job in the role. While Ethan Peck was no Nimoy, he was ok in the role too.

I just haven't found any of the newer characters that likeable.

Because of the lack of Pike, Season 3 didn't really interest me enough to pay for CBS All Access, but I have heard some good things, so when the season is done, I'll check it out.

This isn't the Berman and Braga era. I don't feel the people in charge of Star Trek have an open hostility toward the original series.

But at the same time, I don't know if they get it.

I heard a rumor about season 3 that I think will end a debate that has existed for 11 years. When I watch Season 3, I will comment, and I think it could make for an interesting discussion.

I can't promise that there will be no negativity toward series' you will like, but part of a board like this is that you can defend it.

[CRAMBAM]

Dec 29, 2020 2:20:55 GMT -5 StarFuryG7 said:

Weird how my device just flashed me an email notification at the top of my screen about a message from here that arrived in my AOL mailbox.

Life can be weird sometimes.

I'm really disillusioned myself. Wokeism has ruined social media, the news media has been consumed by the left. I can't even watch the new season of STD, as much as I already hated it anyway, but once news broke about the transgender character I said that's it. I haven't bothered with it.

Let's see 2:19am, I'm off from work this week for the holidays but am starting to get tired and punchy now, so maybe I'll expand on this more soon.

Reddit...sigh...I haven't been to the Trek forum there literally in years, and that service has a real problem because it too has been all but consumed by wokeism. So the subs for shows that I like, such as "The Expanse," which I'm a big fan of, have also been ruined by that garbage.

2020 has been a shit year in so many respects that I will be glad to see it finish in just a few days. Let's hope 2021 is a better year for God sake.

We should probably start a thread for Discovery. Wokeism has ruined a lot of things. Last year, for the first time in my life, I went through an entire TV season without any 1st season show sticking for me. Wokeism is a big turn off. It almost became comical how fast I would turn off a pilot. I stuck with one show until about 40 minutes into the second episode, where some lawyer was whining about constitutional rights of illegals. The record was about 30 seconds until the first anti-Trump comment was made.

The first amendment gives them the right to make awful shows like that, but I don't have to watch them.

But there are some great shows that have started since this board went silent, including Cobra Kai, which needs its own thread.

I'm a big "Daniel is the bad guy" person. I've been making that argument literally since the 90s.

But that's another topic.

But what really brought me back here and the idea of starting the board up again was other message boards like TrekBBS and another big one that basically prided themselves on their inclusiveness, unless you were conservative.

Even moderators on those boards joined in.

Object to any wokeness, call it out, and boom--you're banned.

I'm tired of that censorship.

[CRAMBAM]

Hey man. How are you doing?

I haven't watched it since the end of S2, so I don't think that's going to be a problem.

Have you watched "The Expanse" on Amazon?

Now that I can definitely talk about here if anyone is up for it.

I haven't. But I have watched The Boys, Mrs. Maizel and Upload.

[StarFuryG7]

Dec 29, 2020 7:19:44 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

Hey man. How are you doing?

I haven't watched it since the end of S2, so I don't think that's going to be a problem.

Have you watched "The Expanse" on Amazon?

Now that I can definitely talk about here if anyone is up for it.

I haven't. But I have watched The Boys, Mrs. Maizel and Upload.

You need to watch "The Expanse." The first half of the first season may drag a little for you, although it starts off with some good action. But they're setting up the universe this is all set in, so some people had some trouble sticking with it early on.

What you'll probably also like about it is that there isn't all this woke PC bullshit. I mean, you'll notice that there's a culturally and ethnically diverse cast, but this also takes place a couple of hundred years in the future, and so things like the kind of traditional racism among the people of Earth has become a thing of the past.

There are three major factions in the show: Earth, Mars, and the people of the Asteroid Belt that mine for the inner worlds.

To the extent you'll notice any PC stuff when you start watching, you'll see it, you may notice it, but it goes unspoken about in the show. One example is Holden's first girlfriend, and then who becomes his girlfriend. It's what you would expect from left-wing writers, and the two guys that wrote the novels that the show was taken from are very liberal, with one of them being worse than the other. As you get into the show though you'll find that they don't clobber you over the head with PC bullshit, and compared to all the other crap that's on right now especially, that is in itself very refreshing. That's also why I think you should look at it and see what you think. There's so much stuff that's unwatchable now because of all this woke garbage, and it's permeating and smothering the industry. But this is a science fiction show where you can actually get away from that nonsense and just enjoy for what it is: a science fiction TV show. And the further you get into it, the more you'll find that those things are basically irrelevant and have nothing to really do with the kind of series it is.

"Upload" I've watched somewhat, and it's quirky, but it's not exactly for me. I got some laughs out of it, and it's pretty well done for the kind of show it is, but getting myself back to it has proven to be a bit of a chore. I haven't been able to finish out the season for some reason. I will go back to it though.

And I like Rachel Brosnahan, but I haven't watched 'Mrs. Maisel' yet. I'm not sure when I'll sample it.

As for Discovery, I couldn't stand the first season, although I did like Jason Isaacs as Lorca. I don't think they knew what they were doing with the Mirror universe at all though, nor is it in any way consistent with the original series. Nothing about it is basically. At best it's some kind of a parallel universe. As for the second season and Anson Mount as Pike and Ethan Peck as Spock ...yes, I like Mount and he was good in the role. He also bears a resemblance to Jeffrey Hunter interestingly enough. Peck wasn't horrible, but he's also not the Spock we know. They got the character wrong, his background wrong, and while Peck might have been all right playing a different Vulcan character of some sort, he shouldn't have been cast as Spock. Spock didn't belong in the show, and I don't like the messing with his past. I especially don't like their having given him a human sister. Ugh. Horrible.

Season 3 I haven't looked at, as I've mentioned. But I don't think these writers are big on the original show either. I think they decided to mine from it for the purpose of sparking interest, but I don't think they revere anything about it and perhaps even have as much disdain for it as Berman and Braga. They just show it differently, in part by making it nothing like the original show.

[CRAMBAM]

Cultural and ethnically diverse is not what I consider woke. Life has that, and that's good. I agree with you about Lorca--he was a good character with an interesting twist.

I don't get why Discovery changed the Enterprise if they want to be in the Prime Universe.

[StarFuryG7]

Dec 29, 2020 13:12:25 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

Cultural and ethnically diverse is not what I consider woke. Life has that, and that's good. I agree with you about Lorca--he was a good character with an interesting twist.

I don't get why Discovery changed the Enterprise if they want to be in the Prime Universe.

My point about cultural and racial diversity relates to the check-boxes these people use when they sit down to produce something and put together a cast of characters. Can it be more obvious in the CW Arrowverse shows they've been producing for years? To some extent it was also birthed by TOS, and at the time the mixed cast was considered very progressive on the part of the producers. It never bothered me in "Star Trek" though because as you stated, it's a part of life, encountering people of all backgrounds. But Hollywood has an agenda. And nearly everything they do is about promoting and furthering that agenda, and the blatant obviousness of it to me can be a turnoff. Meanwhile, what is that same crowd also doing on the political and ideological front? Turning us against each other and fanning division. We really saw it taking flight this year also. So when you put it all together, you have an ugly mix. At least in my view. It's either okay for us to be different or it isn't, and the media in this country is apparently schizophrenic on the issue. But if I sit down to watch a show or a movie, let it be organic. Don't do it to club me over the head with it or I'll reject it. That's why I stopped watching 'Arrow' and its related spinoff shows. It just got to be too much, and they got too carried away with it all. Meanwhile, I love 'The Expanse' where they're not clubbing me over the head with it, and the drama relates to people just being people.

If you watch it, you'll come to see what I mean about the difference between that show compared to the others.

[StarFuryG7]

Dec 28, 2020 17:46:39 GMT -5 kilted911 said:

When I started CBS All Access, I was having a hard time sticking with Discovery. I stuck it out and I’m glad I did. Season two was really good, and I’m loving season three. If these boards are going to be inundated with hostile negativity about DISCO, then I probably won’t hang out for too long.

How's life been?

I notice you didn't mention 'Picard'. Why not? Did you not watch its first season?

I don't want to be a hard ass, but all I can say is that I'd much rather have Trek I not only like, but preferably like a lot. Unfortunately I don't like either of these shows. 'Discovery' is too different from what it is supposed to be a prequel to (sort of like 'Enterprise,' but even worse, and back then I may not have even thought that possible), and 'Picard,' well, it has practically nothing in common with the show it's an obvious sequel to. So I'll just say it. I don't like Kurtzman or the power structure CBS has put in place. I'm not sure why you like it, but hey, we all have different tastes.

To me, 'The Expanse' is the new 'Star Trek'. Unlike new Trek I don't get annoyed with it and actually look forward to new episodes.

It can really kick ass.

[CRAMBAM]

Can it be more obvious in the CW Arrowverse shows they've been producing for years?

No. They are the poster child of how NOT to do things.

[Mel]

The shows you guys watch, I've never seen: ST Picard, ST Discovery, The Expanse. I don't have CBS All Access, or other such things.

Looks like Netflix has three seasons of Discovery (oh, it takes place before TOS!) and one of Picard (guess there is only one season). Wow, Netflix has five seasons of The Expanse! It sounds good. Maybe I'll start with it.

That said, I'm fixing up and decluttering my house to sell it, to relocate to a more temperate area where we have friends. (I moved here from Southern California; I've LOVED 16 years of real winter!). Also, the child-care person who, for seven years, worked 35 hours a week with my niece, just quit (her own family needs her). Her agency has no one to replace her, so I'll be dealing with Miranda far more than usual as well.

Well, we'll see.

[CRAMBAM]

You can get CBS All Access free for a month, go nuts, and cancel. Now that Season 3 is complete, I am thinking of taking a month of it. There's a Star Trek cartoon too that came out. Takes place in the 24th century, but is more comedic in nature. I actually heard it wasn't that bad.

[StarFuryG7]

Mel, "The Expanse" is exclusive to Amazon Prime. They acquired it after Season three and produced Seasons Four and Five, with one more on the way. I'm not sure what they're going to do after the series ends with Season Six, but the creators have indicated that Alcon, the Studio behind the series, has other plans for where to go, so maybe they're thinking of a series of Mini-Series' or a spinoff.

Do you have a Prime account? If so, you can stream the series on their platform.

Jan 7, 2021 2:00:17 GMT -5 Mel said:

The shows you guys watch, I've never seen: ST Picard, ST Discovery, The Expanse. I don't have CBS All Access, or other such things.

Looks like Netflix has three seasons of Discovery (oh, it takes place before TOS!) and one of Picard (guess there is only one season). Wow, Netflix has five seasons of The Expanse! It sounds good. Maybe I'll start with it.

That said, I'm fixing up and decluttering my house to sell it, to relocate to a more temperate area where we have friends. (I moved here from Southern California; I've LOVED 16 years of real winter!). Also, the child-care person who, for seven years, worked 35 hours a week with my niece, just quit (her own family needs her). Her agency has no one to replace her, so I'll be dealing with Miranda far more than usual as well.

Well, we'll see.

[Mel]

Jan 7, 2021 10:37:01 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

You can get CBS All Access free for a month, go nuts, and cancel. Now that Season 3 is complete, I am thinking of taking a month of it. There's a Star Trek cartoon too that came out. Takes place in the 24th century, but is more comedic in nature. I actually heard it wasn't that bad.

That's a great idea! I don't have time now, with caretaking my niece and trying to get the house ready to sell.  But I'll keep this in mind. Thanks, Cram.

[Mel]

Jan 8, 2021 23:05:18 GMT -5 StarFuryG7 said:

Mel, "The Expanse" is exclusive to Amazon Prime. They acquired it after Season three and produced Seasons Four and Five, with one more on the way. I'm not sure what they're going to do after the series ends with Season Six, but the creators have indicated that Alcon, the Studio behind the series, has other plans for where to go, so maybe they're thinking of a series of Mini-Series' or a spinoff. Do you have a Prime account? If so, you can stream the series on their platform.

My prime days are long gone (pun intended).

Dunno about exclusivity, but Netflix has four seasons of The Expanse (I put them into my checkout list, just to verify). That'll do for now, and then some.

Btw, we watched Train to Busan last night. OMG, it was great!

[TrekBeatTK]

Jan 7, 2021 10:37:01 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

You can get CBS All Access free for a month, go nuts, and cancel. Now that Season 3 is complete, I am thinking of taking a month of it. There's a Star Trek cartoon too that came out. Takes place in the 24th century, but is more comedic in nature. I actually heard it wasn't that bad.

I saw the first episode of Lower Decks when it was free on YouTube and PlutoTV. I wasn't sold on it, though I'm told it gets better (most shows improve past their pilot). I will say, unless things change in later episodes, I found the lead character EXTREMELY annoying and unlikeable.

How much the show works for you might depend on how well you respond to contemporary rapid-fire animated comedy. I think the idea of an animated series is good, but I don't love the direction they've taken with it. At all. That said, maybe they found their footing in 10 episodes.

[CRAMBAM]

I actually think an animated series could be great. I have been pushing for that since the 90s probably. But like all series', you need the right writers.

I would argue that animation may have saved Star Wars. It is MUCH better than the movies. The reason? Feloni.

If Star Trek had a guy like that do a Kirk based show, I think it would go very far and they could do things that would be tough to do in the movies. They could choose between the Kelvin and Prime universes, crossover into other eras, etc.

It could reinvigorate the franchise. I don't know where Star Wars would be without Clone Wars and Rebels.

But when was the last time Star Trek actually wowed the fan base? Does Discovery have fans? Yes. But is it a sensation? No. Compare the buzz behind Discovery and Picard to Mandalorian.

[Mel]

Gary and I finally agree on something.

Fate gave me an excuse to stream.

DirecTV was in a dispute with Cox, and we stopped getting CBS. No Super Bowl! I bought Roku Express, and signed up for a week's free trial of CBS All Access.

I started with Discovery. Roku movies and such are captioned, but they aren't on Discovery. CBS said to make sure they're on in the Roku device. They are. This is reason enough to not keep CBS All Access.

Maybe it's my age, maybe it's the lack of captions, but what I saw was extremely redundant (seen it on other Treks) and/or uninteresting. I don't know why they changed the image of the Klingons so drastically; I did look it up, but didn't care, when it seemed to be part of a large story arc. Worse, they take forever to say anything.

After the first two episodes, I watched some of each episode, hoping to get engaged. I don't trust Michael's big conversion, and I don't care enough to watch to be convinced. I watched part of season two, and still didn't feel engaged. There are no characters I care about. I think I'm done with Discovery.

As for Picard, it was great to see Data and Picard again. But like Discovery, it felt redundant. The show gets excellent ratings, but I just don't have enough interest to watch more. I think I'm done with Picard.

[CRAMBAM]

I'm about to start a season 3 thread. For what it's worse, the earliest episodes were the worst for Discovery. The Klingons were awful. But in fairness, it does pick up a bit. They dive into some things that were a major part of Trek lore with TOS.

Season 2 of Discovery was actually good enough that it spawned a new Trek series.

Picard was just ok for me.

[Mel]

Feb 15, 2021 12:52:49 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

I'm about to start a season 3 thread. For what it's worse, the earliest episodes were the worst for Discovery. The Klingons were awful. But in fairness, it does pick up a bit. They dive into some things that were a major part of Trek lore with TOS.

That's where my age and memory come into play. I'm not sure I'd recognize major Trek lore anymore.

Season 2 of Discovery was actually good enough that it spawned a new Trek series.

Really? What's the name of the new Trek series?

[TrekBeatTK]

Really? What's the name of the new Trek series?[/quote]


It’s called Strange New Worlds. It’s only be rumored unyil recently when it presumably started preproduction. We won’t see it for awhile, but it’s supposed to be about Pike’s Enterprise.

[CRAMBAM]

Feb 15, 2021 20:39:00 GMT -5 TrekBeatTK said:

Really? What's the name of the new Trek series?

It’s called Strange New Worlds. It’s only be rumored unyil recently when it presumably started preproduction. We won’t see it for awhile, but it’s supposed to be about Pike’s Enterprise.[/quote]

I only have one negative thought on it so far, and that's the design of the Enterprise. If this is the prime universe, it should look like what we know--at least from The Cage. Or if not The Cage, then from the main series. I don't get the reasoning behind redesigning it.

You can argue that Pike's Enterprise was refitted after The Cage to explain how it looks like Kirk's Enterprise, but what they have now is much different. I get the desire to modernize, but I think the sets were fine.

[TrekBeatTK]

The design element is always a problem on these reboot shows. It really bothered me too that they set it in a time period that we already saw and they weren't going to stick with. And sure, there's solid reason not to put people in bulky blue turtlneck sweaters. But Discovery's entire design aesthetic made no sense given Pike was supposedly out there at the same time post-The Cage!

I can swallow some minor updates/alterations and buy it, but others are a hard pass. I thought they did a much better job redesigning the Enterprise than JJ did. The exterior is actually pretty faithful in most respects, apart from the lighting scheme. I like the use of the slats on the nacelles. The interiors though, it's frustrating to have nods to the original and still deviate. The ship is just too big. And all the crew compliments are too large. It should hold only 400+ people! Though too spacious, I think the general take on the bridge is okay, but no reason they couldn't have tried to cut closer to what we saw. I hate every time we see the turboshafts. That just makes no sense. Why is there all that empty space between shafts? And why does modern TV constantly insist on showing the exterior of an elevator moving? Trek has always cleverly had light panels to show motion. (It's a major pet peeve of mine in the MCU that literally every time someone gets in an elevator we have to cut to an overhead shot of the lift dropping down the shaft. In movies and TV.)

The worst part, that shows they aren't paying attention, is the color scheme. The "orange" bridge comes later. So you're not being faithful by referencing it, you're breaking canon. Worse for me are the uniforms. I already hate the stupid assymetrical cut with the droopy collar bits (why the costumers on DISCO love assymetric uniforms is beyond me) because they're supposed to be the TOS ones, not these silly things. But I hate even more that they tried to introduce the new color scheme here, because we fans know colors don't change until after Where No Man Has Gone Before. And I could get picky about how the gold is too yellow since it's really supposed to be green, but canon has retconned it as gold. Point is, Pike's ship shouldn't have those colors.

So I will both agree and disagree with you. I understand the impulse to modernize some, and I think they've been smart about a lot of it, but it went a bit too far and they're showing they don't know their canon as well as they should.

Did you notice the solar panels on the Golden Gate Bridge in Disco season 2? What do you think of that?

[CRAMBAM]

In fairness, Season 2 takes place after the events of The Cage, so there could have been a refit. But that refit should make things look more like the 1960s sets, which as Trials and Tribbleations proved, looked amazing in modern times.

I didn't notice the solar panels.

[StarFuryG7]

Feb 18, 2021 9:52:57 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

I only have one negative thought on it so far, and that's the design of the Enterprise. If this is the prime universe, it should look like what we know--at least from The Cage. Or if not The Cage, then from the main series. I don't get the reasoning behind redesigning it.

You can argue that Pike's Enterprise was refitted after The Cage to explain how it looks like Kirk's Enterprise, but what they have now is much different. I get the desire to modernize, but I think the sets were fine.

I don't want to ruin anything for you, and no, I haven't looked at season 3 or read any significant spoilers about it. I did catch a piece of something that connects the show to the Kelvin timeline films, which would sort of make sense. I also saw an image of something --I won't say what exactly-- that touches on something rather big from the original series. So taking those two things into account, even though the Kelvin films is in itself enough, leads me to the conclusion that they have cut the connection to the original Prime universe, even though they kept trying to tell us for two seasons that it was the same universe, and even went so far as to use clips and scenes from the original series for episodes that they wanted to do their own sort of continuations to.

But I really couldn't care less about season 3. The gay relationship in the first two seasons was bad enough. That was never the kind of thing I watched "Star Trek" for, and it's worth noting that they shunned material like that for decades for what turned out to be good reasons, because it also co-opts the material and uses it as a platform that ends up taking a significant amount of time away from the science fiction aspect of the show. Two guys kissing each other and feeling each other up on camera? For Christ sake. Then in season 3 they had to go the next step and add a transgender character. I'm sorry, but that's not the 'Star Trek' I know and care to watch, and if I had kids I'd be doubly pissed off about it.

But that's just me.