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Post by Mel on Feb 20, 2021 18:51:29 GMT -5
I hear you. I tune in for the science fiction and exploration, not social development. But others wanted a gay character on STTNG, so some people have wanted this for a long time. George Takei talked (without outing himself) to Roddenberry about a gay character way back when. When Beyond came out, Takei didn't like the idea of a gay Sulu. He likes the gay couple on Discovery. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 20, 2021 19:15:36 GMT -5
It's an opinion that I wouldn't judge you for having, not that it matters if I did. That's one thing I feel is important about this board. You can say stuff like that and your opinion will be respected, rather than canceled.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Feb 22, 2021 8:31:32 GMT -5
I hear you. I tune in for the science fiction and exploration, not social development. But others wanted a gay character on STTNG, so some people have wanted this for a long time. George Takei talked (without outing himself) to Roddenberry about a gay character way back when. When Beyond came out, Takei didn't like the idea of a gay Sulu. He likes the gay couple on Discovery. Don't they also have an obligation to think about their broader audience, though? If the gay population amounts to just two percent roughly, aren't they potentially alienating the vast majority of their audience just to appease that two percent? And I'm not saying a gay character should be omitted completely necessarily. However, they gave us two gay characters with an on-again off-again relationship. And we had to see them kissing, and touching, and being oh-so-tender with each other, and far too often to boot. What about parents that grew up watching TNG, which was a family friendly show, who don't want their kids watching this newer show because of that stuff? I guess they're just bigots, right? Wrong. Not where I come from, and not how I grew up. And that's an awful lot to deprive those families of just to satisfy that roughly two percent of the population. They're alienating far more people than they're bringing in to watch the show if you ask me, but the woke overlords don't care because their agenda is about more than entertainment. I guess that's why the ratings for 'Discovery' apparently suck though, if the main CBS network is anything to judge by. When they premiered STD on that station last year only about a million people watched it. Prime time, one of the three major networks (four if you include Fox), in the midst of a pandemic when very little new programming was being produced, and they couldn't even get more than roughly a million viewers. Pathetic. And yet they don't care because their left-wing agenda trumps everything else, including their ratings and producing material that would potentially appeal to a broad audience. The left is sick, and they're trying their damndest to make us all as ill as they are, heart, mind and soul. |
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Post by Mel on Feb 22, 2021 23:23:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't have even thought to call someone who doesn't like this aspect of Discovery a bigot. I'm not built that way. Having said that, I'm tired of things being labeled left or right, blue or red. I'm sick to death of divisiveness.
Would 10% be better?
I grew up in Los Angeles. My dad's business had 10% gay people; that was in the 50's (and continued throughout the decades). Having seen gays from a young age, to me, they were simply people in love. They were loving, in the way they acted with each other, including occasional hugging and kissing when they thought no one was looking. From their paperwork, I knew that most of the couples lived together (one couple per address, I mean). Maybe if others had seen this as I had, growing up knowing it exists and that it isn't disgusting, maybe more adults would be accepting of it.
Perhaps your view of the right is a tad narrow. I have Republican friends, even evangelical ministers and their spouses, who believe people of the same sex can fall in love. They see nothing wrong with them loving and caring for each other and being in a committed relationship.
Back to Discovery. TOS strived for all kinds of equality. To me, Discovery is going where I would expect TPTB to take it.
Now, having said all that, I haven't paid that much attention to the gay couple. When I have, I haven't cared much for them for another reason. I don't feel any chemistry between them. I see that with other couples in film and TV. I'd like to see it with them. Maybe it's there. Maybe I missed it.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Feb 23, 2021 7:30:06 GMT -5
The problem is, the left doesn't just control Hollywood--the EXTREMIST left controls it.
And they have pushed this agenda and shoved it down the American people's throats. I have no issue with gay people. Anyone can be with anyone they want. But I also don't find it ENTERTAINING. I don't believe that catering to that audience should be required on every single TV show in every single way.
That goes for transgenders as well. Let people live their lives, but don't force it on those that choose not to want to see that on TV.
It wreaks of tokenism and pandering.
People of the same sex CAN fall in love. And in the real world, God bless. But that doesn't mean it should be on every single TV show.
And the leftist extremist need to stop forcing it just so they can get fake outraged when people object. They seem to care more about being able to call others racists than actually entertaining.
To give an idea of how far this has come, the left is ok with same sex kissing on the Voltron cartoon, but they put out a WARNING on THE MUPPET SHOW. This really happened this week on Disney.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Mar 1, 2021 8:37:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't have even thought to call someone who doesn't like this aspect of Discovery a bigot. I'm not built that way. Having said that, I'm tired of things being labeled left or right, blue or red. I'm sick to death of divisiveness. Would 10% be better? I grew up in Los Angeles. My dad's business had 10% gay people; that was in the 50's (and continued throughout the decades). Having seen gays from a young age, to me, they were simply people in love. They were loving, in the way they acted with each other, including occasional hugging and kissing when they thought no one was looking. From their paperwork, I knew that most of the couples lived together (one couple per address, I mean). Maybe if others had seen this as I had, growing up knowing it exists and that it isn't disgusting, maybe more adults would be accepting of it. Perhaps your view of the right is a tad narrow. I have Republican friends, even evangelical ministers and their spouses, who believe people of the same sex can fall in love. They see nothing wrong with them loving and caring for each other and being in a committed relationship. Back to Discovery. TOS strived for all kinds of equality. To me, Discovery is going where I would expect TPTB to take it. Now, having said all that, I haven't paid that much attention to the gay couple. When I have, I haven't cared much for them for another reason. I don't feel any chemistry between them. I see that with other couples in film and TV. I'd like to see it with them. Maybe it's there. Maybe I missed it. I've lived in NYC my entire life, Mel. Do you really think I've gone about living my life and working here without ever having been exposed to any gay people? In point of fact I've known and worked with several. I have, in fact, sat right next to them while working and took breaks and spent my lunch hours with them, and get this: regularly, as in, on a daily basis. And here comes an even bigger shock to you: we got along well, and as an even bigger shock, they actually liked me. They came to know, however, where I leaned politically and on social issues. I don't agree with gay marriage because to me that isn't marriage. Sorry...I grew up with specific views as to what constitutes marriage regardless of how the left demands that we all rewrite our interpretation of it. That doesn't mean I would have stood in the way of civil unions, but they had to insist on calling it marriage. That's where I object. And as Cram points out, when they focus on this kind of subject matter in television shows, it's to force it upon us whether we want to deal with and watch it or not. As for Trek, where were the gay crew members on the original Enterprise and series? Nowhere. So they go from it being totally absent to it being a significant part of the newer show. And I just don't care to see two guys talking about their relationship and getting intimate with each other. I'm not wired that way and never have been. That doesn't mean I think gay people should be persecuted because I don't. Let them live their lives and do whatever they want to do behind closed doors. I'm pretty libertarian in that respect even as a conservative. But don't force me to tune out a franchise because you have to go full woke and add gay and transgender characters when I've never been interested in that kind of subject matter to begin with. To me it's an annoyance, and I would point out that even by the time of TNG, romantic, intimate relationships were pretty much dealt with at arms length even in that show between gender opposite straight characters. With Picard things barely ever went beyond a simple kiss. And that applies to the other characters also - the whole Riker, Troi, Worf triangle never got so...icky. So what can I tell you. That's who I am. And I don't know when these idiots in charge of programming are going to get the message that they're alienating a large part of their potential audiences, and that a lot of people simply won't watch shows because of this kind of stuff. I just learned that Jordan Peele's new version of The Twilight Zone has been cancelled and won't be coming back, and after just two seasons. But apparently these executives will never learn because they have an agenda, and to them it trumps everything else, including ratings, success, and making money. So be it. Let them go woke and go broke for all I care, but they can do it without me. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Mar 2, 2021 7:43:00 GMT -5
I made it about 4 episodes into the Woke Twilight Zone because of the liberal agenda being forced on us.
Another pet peeve is writers painting white cops as racist on every single TV show. It not only is sickening, it paints a false narrative. There are bad people in every group, but TV today tries to make bad cops the rule, not the exception.
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Post by Mel on Mar 6, 2021 2:26:39 GMT -5
I didn't realize there was a new Twilight Zone! Since I have CBS All Access, I'll watch it. It doesn't get a great rating at imdb.com, but I'm still curious to see it.  |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Mar 9, 2021 14:25:53 GMT -5
It was all political. They ruined that too.
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Post by captainbasil on Jul 8, 2021 11:23:38 GMT -5
Sorry I have not been around. I drop in once in a while. I will try to drop in more.
I hate the Woke Trek and Doctor Who and everything else that has gone Left. Social Justice Warriors never create, they only destroy.
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Post by Mel on Jul 18, 2021 2:27:18 GMT -5
Looks like I've been gone since June 13th.
I got busy (still am), but also have health issues that slow me down and make me choose between activities, since I can no longer do them all. My laptop overheated, and it took 2 weeks to get it back from service. I got it a few days ago.
I haven't seen the new Trek nor any of the last 15 years of Doctor Who, so I'm not aware of the woke problems. Sorry to hear that.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jul 19, 2021 13:19:24 GMT -5
It's hard to get back into the habit of dropping by.
But I guess timing is everything. We all randomly picked today to show up.
Anyway, Doctor Who, from the 9th Doctor until the 11th Doctor, was top notch. I wasn't a huge fan of Capaldi, though he had moments. But the wokeness started with the casting of Jodie Whitaker, and it wasn't just the female casting, it was the scripts. They got so bad so fast, it is such a shame. I watched the show loyally and that included through the last season, but I lost complete interest. Worse, they changed the entire canon and history of the Doctor in the last episode I saw. It's bad.
As for Star Trek, apparently, in 1000 years, there are no straight white males anymore.
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Post by Mel on Jul 20, 2021 18:26:22 GMT -5
As for Star Trek, apparently, in 1000 years, there are no straight white males anymore. I laughed so hard I cried. Too funny! |
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Post by captainbasil on Aug 8, 2021 9:54:22 GMT -5
As for Star Trek, apparently, in 1000 years, there are no straight white males anymore. I laughed so hard I cried. Too funny!  That's hilarious. |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Aug 20, 2021 21:28:01 GMT -5
As for Star Trek, apparently, in 1000 years, there are no straight white males anymore. And you no doubt wonder why I refuse to watch. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Aug 25, 2021 9:27:48 GMT -5
Surprisingly, the latest cartoon isn't bad. It's a bit lighter and more comedic. They also say that Pike's show is going to be more like TOS than other shows. Less serialized, more stand alone.
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That's hilarious.