Janeway-Endgame

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Here's where it gets a little frustrating being with long time die hard Trek fans that haven't kept up with Picard Season 3.

Since Endgame aired, I have argued that Janeway was the biggest villain in Star Trek history. She pulled a reverse Edith Keeler, where she changed a timeline for her own selfishness. She inserted new people into the timeline, which of course would have a huge impact on the next 17 plus years where older Janeway came from.

The show ignored a lot of paradoxes, because if Janeway changes the timeline, future Janeway has no reason to come back in time. But let's ignore that like Braga did.

The impact from those actions were tremendous. To quote Spock, millions would die that did not die before.

I just realized that Picard Season 3 expands on my theory. Not the intent of the writers but just like Orci's time travel decisions actually means that Kirk is alive, Matalas' decision cemented my theory that Janeway is a villain.

[StarFuryG7]

Thanks for the Huge Kirk Spoiler.

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You mean in the above post? That's not a spoiler. That's a theory that I have had based on Orci's time travel usage. I believe I've gone over it before. My theory works with Roddenberry time travel usage as well, but I like it better with Orci's treatment of time travel.

Nothing on Picard Season 3 addresses that theory. So no, that's not a Kirk spoiler. But Picard Season 3 has some really good stuff.

[StarFuryG7]

For the last couple of weeks I've been seeing headlines about Kirk and his corpse somehow factoring in to Picard Season 3, so I know something concerning him happened recently. I do my best to avoid this kind of stuff, but it's so damn relentless that eventually it seems they get you anyway and ruin things you don't want to know about, so I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek yesterday when I said that, but you still laid out things about the third season of that show that I don't want to know about until and unless I decide to watch it in reruns, or wherever and however I decide look at it eventually, assuming I do. And given that they had to go back to Kirk and his remains in some way it could well be because they intend to go somewhere else with it. I don't know, but in this modern age, a lot of the times things get ruined for you even if you do your best to avoid knowing about plot and show and movie developments. They really don't give a shit about spoiling things that people aren't yet aware of because they haven't seen yet what these writers decide to ruin with their damn headlines.

And I find that rather annoying.

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No question. There are things that are very hard to avoid. Right now, they just opened a door. They didn't do much with it. It seems there are people who get that Kirk's death was horrible in Generations. That's not really news. If they ever DO follow up on that scene, you wouldn't need to have seen Season 3 of Picard for it. But my own theories of Kirk being alive have nothing to do with Kirk's corpse.

[StarFuryG7]

May 26, 2023 8:14:58 GMT -5 CRAMBAM said:

No question. There are things that are very hard to avoid. Right now, they just opened a door. They didn't do much with it. It seems there are people who get that Kirk's death was horrible in Generations. That's not really news. If they ever DO follow up on that scene, you wouldn't need to have seen Season 3 of Picard for it. But my own theories of Kirk being alive have nothing to do with Kirk's corpse.

It was clear you were just postulating your own theory based on recent developments. I've been seeing a lot of that recently on genre news sites about Kirk as I mentioned. To wit - I wrote that last reply to you yesterday morning on my way in to work. I did not see the article link I'm about to provide here now. That did not come to my attention until today on my work computer on MSN's main page (the one you can't choose and which they stick in your face whether you like it or not with some of the things they think you may find of interest).

2 Ways Star Trek Can Deep Fake Retcon Kirk’s Generations Death

You see what I mean?

I rest my case.

As I said, I was kidding yesterday, but this was why.

And by the way, I hope you're giving a Reddit forum some thought, as posting that link just now was a pain.

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I think you're just trying to do too much with the links. I literally just cut and pasted the link and it took 2 seconds. It may not look as nice as what you did, but it's just a click.

Anyway, you probably shouldn't have read that article yesterday. The headline is just a theory/suggestion, and really so is the whole article. It would be nice if they do something. Work out a deal with Shatner. With de-aging, even insurance isn't a big deal since they can have another actor do all the stunts. Hell, with Shatner's permission, he doesn't even have to do much at all.

[StarFuryG7]

I did not read that article. I don't read them. But you have to watch out for the headlines because they can spoil events in the current shows. About all I know regarding Kirk is that they went back to his remains in Picard Season 3 in some way, but that's it. I just can't get into current Trek and don't even want to try frankly. They've turned me off in a major way and I prefer to remember Trek as it was prior to the travesty that is Discovery and whatever else they produced from that point on. Picard S1 ruined the character and that universe in more ways for me than I care to think about, and the other shows, including Strange News Worlds, proved that they wanted to be woke. The pilot episode, and their anti-Trump nonsense, was more than enough for me to suffer through. I'd rather look forward to the coming animated Babylon 5 movie, and hope for an revival of some kind of The Expanse. Paramount lost me and I'm really not interested in going back.

As for this board, I don't consider adding a Bold Font and Centering a link trying to do too many things with it, and yet, on a handheld device, which is all I use to post now 99% of the time, it can be an ordeal and a pain in the ass. You may post using a computer still, but I do not. For me that's strictly the old days. And add to that the fact that this board is out in the middle of nowhere as I said, and so it simply will not grow. We also have nearly a decade and a half of proof at this point that it won't be the case, ever. On Reddit, it's simple to set up a forum and takes mere moments to do, literally. If you want to add a theme to it even that's easier now than it used to be because they're no longer reliant on CSS the way they used to be before they released their new interface a few years ago. And I don't mind helping to do it and to create one. Call it whatever you want, tell me how you'd like it to look and I can take care of it. You can even be the sole moderator there if you like, for all I care.

Even starting off as a small forum with only a handful of members there's more of a chance that the place will add subscribers over time, unlike here, where it's obviously not going to happen.

[Mel]

I had no idea that Gary was posting all these wonderful articles from his phone! I can't imagine posting from a cell, and I'm very impressed, especially since his posts always look so nice.


I use my laptop while avoiding my cell as much as possible. I'm in my 70's and laptops are in my blood. I just bought another to be delivered in a few days.

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May 28, 2023 11:01:59 GMT -5 StarFuryG7 said:

I did not read that article. I don't read them. But you have to watch out for the headlines because they can spoil events in the current shows. About all I know regarding Kirk is that they went back to his remains in Picard Season 3 in some way, but that's it. I just can't get into current Trek and don't even want to try frankly. They've turned me off in a major way and I prefer to remember Trek as it was prior to the travesty that is Discovery and whatever else they produced from that point on. Picard S1 ruined the character and that universe in more ways for me than I care to think about, and the other shows, including Strange News Worlds, proved that they wanted to be woke. The pilot episode, and their anti-Trump nonsense, was more than enough for me to suffer through. I'd rather look forward to the coming animated Babylon 5 movie, and hope for an revival of some kind of The Expanse. Paramount lost me and I'm really not interested in going back.

As for this board, I don't consider adding a Bold Font and Centering a link trying to do too many things with it, and yet, on a handheld device, which is all I use to post now 99% of the time, it can be an ordeal and a pain in the ass. You may post using a computer still, but I do not. For me that's strictly the old days. And add to that the fact that this board is out in the middle of nowhere as I said, and so it simply will not grow. We also have nearly a decade and a half of proof at this point that it won't be the case, ever. On Reddit, it's simple to set up a forum and takes mere moments to do, literally. If you want to add a theme to it even that's easier now than it used to be because they're no longer reliant on CSS the way they used to be before they released their new interface a few years ago. And I don't mind helping to do it and to create one. Call it whatever you want, tell me how you'd like it to look and I can take care of it. You can even be the sole moderator there if you like, for all I care.

Even starting off as a small forum with only a handful of members there's more of a chance that the place will add subscribers over time, unlike here, where it's obviously not going to happen.

I didn't like Picard Season 1 at all. I thought Season 2 was ok if I remember right. But Season 3 was as good as the good TNG seasons. It was much better. But I understand your opinion, and everyone has the right to their own.