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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 4, 2012 18:14:11 GMT -5
Over at TrekNews.net:CBS Stops “New Voyages” from Producing Unused Star Trek Script CBS has blocked plans for the popular fan-series, Star Trek New Voyages: Phase II from adapting Norman Spinrad's unused Star Trek script, "He Walked Among Us, into an upcoming episode. According to a New York Times report, CBS stopped the planned production and claimed rights to the script. “We fully appreciate and respect the passion and creativity of the ‘Star Trek’ fan and creative communities,” CBS said in a statement. “This is simply [...] Posted by TrekNews on April 2, 2012 | Fan Films, News
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Apr 5, 2012 6:18:41 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. If CBS owns the script then they are totally in their rights. ...Though I wonder how long a claim on unused scripts can last, and how they were able to use "Blood and Fire" before. Must have gotten permission.
Happy First Contact day!
-TK
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 5, 2012 8:16:48 GMT -5
It must have something to do with future usage. What are they going to do with it? From what I gather, this script was only recently uncovered.
Is there a better way to use this story? If they want to make an animated movie, or a comic book, this makes sense. If not, then why bother stopping it?
CBS has been very good with New Voyages, which is smart because it only serves as a positive for their product.
I would love to know WHY.
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Post by captainbasil on Apr 5, 2012 17:46:41 GMT -5
CBS is just grumpy because New Voyages has been more creative than Abrams or any of the Paramount squad.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 6, 2012 6:23:07 GMT -5
Imagine what they could have done with a real budget and cast.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 11, 2012 8:52:30 GMT -5
I hope no one minds that I changed the main title of the thread.
The latest episode of New Voyages, The Child, is up. I only had a chance to watch the first 15 minutes.
I believe the TNG episode where Troi got pregnant was a revamped version of this script, which was originally for the Trek revival pre TMP.
So I guess this is the filmed TOS version of the story. The production values are sick.
The episode so far, is ok. The acting is getting better, though I don't like the new Sulu, assuming he is Sulu. He's an asian guy, but he wasn't called Sulu by name in the first 15 minutes, and I didn't like how he was written.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 11, 2012 14:04:12 GMT -5
You should have left the thread title as it was and created a separate folder for Fan Films instead and just moved this thread in there, if possible. In fact you should probably create separate sections for movies versus TV shows.
The Phase 2 servers are very busy at the moment apparently, since I can't even get to their Home Page or their Episodes Page.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 11, 2012 20:06:18 GMT -5
I just figured this thread is going by the wayside on its own, but I can do that. Let's get the discussions going, and as the board grows, we can do that. It's a good idea.
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Post by captainbasil on Apr 12, 2012 17:13:19 GMT -5
I didn't know their new production was up yet. Thanks for posting it. I love the Trek Fan films and the various fan made audio series. I just listened to the new Star Trek Outpost on the way to work this morning.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 12, 2012 18:27:49 GMT -5
I didn't know their new production was up yet. Thanks for posting it. I love the Trek Fan films and the various fan made audio series. I just listened to the new Star Trek Outpost on the way to work this morning.
I just finished downloading "The Child" within the last two minutes, but I expect to be disappointed, as I always am with their productions.
I'm not into the fan-made stuff because so much of it tends to be rather poor. And Cawley's take on Kirk in Phase II is cringe-inducing. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 12, 2012 18:35:30 GMT -5
I think they made a bad choice in doing The Child, because TNG took that script and adapted it. Plus, I barely remember that TNG episode, which means it wasn't one of the better TNG episodes.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 13, 2012 0:54:22 GMT -5
I think they made a bad choice in doing The Child, because TNG took that script and adapted it. Plus, I barely remember that TNG episode, which means it wasn't one of the better TNG episodes.
This is the problem I have with these amateur productions. So often they get things like that WRONG in addition to all the other problems they have with what they've produced. |
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 14, 2012 15:07:59 GMT -5
I think they made a bad choice in doing The Child, because TNG took that script and adapted it. Plus, I barely remember that TNG episode, which means it wasn't one of the better TNG episodes.
And this is more of an aside, but I really can't deal with Cawley's wig anymore. Every time I see him I think, "Oh, here's wig-guy again" :::Sigh::: |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 15, 2012 18:39:13 GMT -5
I don't think it's a wig. I think that's really his hair.
I finished it too, and to an extent I agree. The acting is getting better, but it's not up to pro levels. And yes, the script was decent.
Certainly better than when they started because the scripts are pro.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 15, 2012 19:57:13 GMT -5
I don't think it's a wig. I think that's really his hair.
Dude, that's a wig. And if you were to ask him, and he were to say that it IS his real hair, I don't think I would believe him. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 16, 2012 9:30:21 GMT -5
Why wear a wig that looks nothing Kirk-like? He was an Elvis impersonator. The hair was part of the job.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 16, 2012 11:04:36 GMT -5
Why wear a wig that looks nothing Kirk-like? He was an Elvis impersonator. The hair was part of the job.
The better question is why choose a hairstyle that isn't consistent with Captain James T. Kirk when you're playing Captain James T. Kirk?
Answer: He went with one of the wigs he already has that he has a personal preference for, and which comes closest of the wigs he owns to play Kirk. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 17, 2012 6:40:09 GMT -5
Is that from their website or is it a theory?
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 17, 2012 11:36:32 GMT -5
Is that from their website or is it a theory?
Dude, open your eyes and don’t expect me to lose any sleep over your refusing to accept that the guy wears a wig in those videos.
And Cawley is by no means the only one who wears a wig in those productions. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 17, 2012 14:19:25 GMT -5
I know that much. But it's time to try to settle this by asking on their message boards.
If that's a wig, I'll let you pick a picture for the top of the board next month.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 17, 2012 15:40:13 GMT -5
I know that much. But it's time to try to settle this by asking on their message boards. If that's a wig, I'll let you pick a picture for the top of the board next month.
But in the meantime you might want to take a look at this YouTube video, which looks like the same hairpiece as in this latest Phase II episode, and tell me again that that's not a wig. |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Apr 17, 2012 16:49:04 GMT -5
I've never watched any of these, but I took a look at "The Child" to see for myself. I think most of the men are wearing wigs on this show. Cawley's seems a little too black and shiny when compared to his eyebrows at least. If that's his actual hair, there must be a lot of product in it to keep it that shape.
-TK
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 17, 2012 18:45:43 GMT -5
I've never watched any of these, but I took a look at "The Child" to see for myself. I think most of the men are wearing wigs on this show. Cawley's seems a little too black and shiny when compared to his eyebrows at least. If that's his actual hair, there must be a lot of product in it to keep it that shape. -TK
As for "The Child" as an episode, I was surprised to learn earlier that that episode had already been in production way back in 2008, and yet it was only just released earlier this month. Go figure --what the hell do you make of that? |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 18, 2012 8:00:15 GMT -5
I guess it takes a very long time. Though I think this episode was delayed due to some alleged chicanery by that guy who is Kirk on the other fan film.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Apr 18, 2012 14:40:43 GMT -5
I guess it takes a very long time. Though I think this episode was delayed due to some alleged chicanery by that guy who is Kirk on the other fan film.
That sounds as though it might even be somewhat amusing.
But regardless --I don't think it's taken them three-and-a-half to four years in the past to get their episodes up and posted on their web site.
I'm wondering if the studio was against their doing it because it was one of their scripts, and in light of recent events with their having stopped them from producing the unproduced Norman Spinrad script, it wouldn't be that surprising. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 20, 2012 7:02:51 GMT -5
I know you hate the site, but go to Trekmovie.com. Find the article that talks about Chris Doohan joining the cast of the Farragut fan film as Scotty.
Read the comments. The drama starts about at comment 27, give or take a few.
Through that discussion, you will be led to places on the TrekBBS, where the drama originated.
It absolutely was amusing, as are many fights that don't involve me.
The guy playing Kirk allegedly stole sets, and allegedly stole the only copy of the latest Phase 2 episode, which forced them to reshoot.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 28, 2012 16:39:25 GMT -5
Well, I guess I ticked some people off, but I am right about it really being Cawley's hair:
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As has been said, James dyes his sandy-blond hair black for his Elvis gig. If he's shooting one of our episodes around the time he's doing some Elvis performances (which is, well, almost always), he ends up keeping his hair black for the role of Kirk, too. Fortunately, no one really cares all that much.
James doesn't wear wigs; the hair you see in all our episodes is his own natural hair. (If he did wear a wig, he'd just get a Kirk wig and wear it instead of wearing his Elvis wig for when he plays Kirk. Why would anyone intentionally wear an Elvis wig for Kirk?)
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jun 21, 2012 8:26:48 GMT -5
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Post by gavin1701 on Jun 21, 2012 15:17:52 GMT -5
Cawley did a good job. He was out of his depth the first few outings, but by the time we got to the Sulu episode he was capable. Having too many people play Kirk kind of puts it out there that it's a role anyone can play. It's not. But as its fan films you can brush past that if the production values and writing is good enough.
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Post by captainbasil on Jun 21, 2012 16:50:19 GMT -5
This is sad news. I like Cawley and he has a lot of heart. I respect his decision and wish the new Kirk all the best but it does bum me out a bit.  |
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