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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 24, 2013 7:23:31 GMT -5
They did. And I don't get it.
It's somewhat similar to Shatner and Star Trek, though not as egregious.
McGann I believe is the same age as Capaldi, so age isn't the issue. He certainly looks like he can still play the role, and the best part is that because they never had him regenerate, any aging of the actor doesn't matter.
He seems to be popular despite his only appearance being in a TV movie.
I really wonder why Davies didn't cast him.
I get not wanting to start a new series with a regeneration, but even that wouldn't have been that big of a deal, since they did the same thing in 1996.
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Post by captainbasil on Oct 24, 2013 9:50:11 GMT -5
McGann gets no respect at all from the BBC even though he did a lot of work for them setting up the debut of the new 2005 series.
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Oct 24, 2013 17:00:45 GMT -5
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 25, 2013 7:26:23 GMT -5
No clue. She posted stuff?
Doing a little research, and it seems that tickets are only available at the theater I like for Monday November 25. No point, since I won't wait the 2 days.
I may consider buying the DVD if the extra footage is on it.
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Post by Mel on Oct 25, 2013 17:11:19 GMT -5
<------------- This Mel? I didn't post anything today. I dropped by yesterday and today to read.
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Oct 25, 2013 19:01:24 GMT -5
I posted that late last night. Yeah, yesterday you had a couple replies posted and then they disappeared.
-TK
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 26, 2013 9:20:33 GMT -5
No clue.
Last night, I watched the 30th anniversary special, called the Five Doctors.
Basically, it involved a bad guy kidnapping the first five Doctors and they had an adventure.
Technically, it was 4 out of 5, since Tom Baker turned it down. He didn't want to appear so soon after he left, but I think that was a mistake. Hartnell was dead, so they had a different actor play the first Doctor.
What was interesting was that they were successful writing for all of them, in their different personalities, without taking away from Davison.
It shows it can be done.
Granted, a stronger story can exist, but the balancing was there.
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Post by captainbasil on Oct 27, 2013 8:44:40 GMT -5
The 5 Doctors is a fun story. You're right about the balance. The older doctors didn't take away from Davison, who had big shoes to fill after Tom Baker's departure. I think he filled them well, by not trying to be like Baker at all. Davison's Doctor was more subdued but I think his portrayal has gained popularity over the years. Tom Baker blew it by not appearing in this one. Like Shatner in Trek, Baker has embraced Dr. Who now, but he gave the show and fans the cold shoulder for a long time. You might want to check out The 3 Doctors. Pertwee and Troughton are having a blast playing off each other in that one. It was on Netflix streaming a few months ago.  |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 27, 2013 16:47:43 GMT -5
I wish I knew that. I would love to watch that.
Fun thought--
In the Five Doctors, the president frames someone for kidnapping the doctors, and killed him. Why didn't the framed time lord just regenerate?
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 28, 2013 9:07:28 GMT -5
So I checked, and the Three Doctors IS still on Netflix.
Go to Classic Doctor Who, and I think it's filed under Season 4.
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Post by captainbasil on Oct 28, 2013 12:46:33 GMT -5
Cool. I hope you enjoy The 3 Doctors.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 28, 2013 13:11:28 GMT -5
It's broken up into 4, 24 minute sections, and I've watched the first two.
Admittedly, even though I've had trouble with Classic Who, I'm enjoying it.
They do gloss over explanations, though maybe that's a sign of the times.
Writers should be able to anticipate the nitpicker's questions.
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Post by captainbasil on Oct 28, 2013 18:07:48 GMT -5
It's broken up into 4, 24 minute sections, and I've watched the first two. Admittedly, even though I've had trouble with Classic Who, I'm enjoying it. They do gloss over explanations, though maybe that's a sign of the times. Writers should be able to anticipate the nitpicker's questions. The 24 minute segments are how they were broadcast. When I started watching Dr. Who (roughly 1975) it was here in the States on PBS. We got one 24 minute show every Saturday night. Pertwee was my first Doctor. My biggest complaint with the Doctors Revisited is they cut out the serial format when they run the older Who shows and the pacing is totally different. It's actually easier to follow the show if you watch it in the multi-part format one after another on Netflix or if you hit Play All on your DVD player. |
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Oct 28, 2013 20:04:48 GMT -5
Yeah, some of the longer serials just don't feel right when edited together. The Daleks is a great story, but 7 episodes means it does drag here and there when you think of it that way. But as a serial, it works. Some of the 2-4 episode stories are good either way.
I'm slowly working my way through classic Who. Very slowly. I'm in the Hartnell years. But I want to do it all in sequence; it's just easier to keep track of that way.
-TK
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Post by captainbasil on Oct 29, 2013 7:01:49 GMT -5
Some Classic Who this old timer can recommend: Genesis of the Daleks- Tom Baker is always great but you have Michael Wisher as the Ultimate Davros. Earthshock- Peter Davison has a tragic encounter with the Cybermen. Tomb of the Cybermen- Patrick Troughton in an early Cybermen episode that is creaky but still creepy. Caves of Androzani- Davison's last outing as the Doctor is one of his best. Talons of Weng-Chiang- Tom Baker in Victorian London with Giant Rats and something even more evil. Spearhead from Space- Jon Pertwee Vs The Autons The Green Death- Jon Pertwee Vs. Environmental Chaos Remembrance of the Daleks- One of Sylvester McCoy's best outings as The Doctor and you get to see his companion Ace take a baseball bat to a Dalek. Dr. Who, Daleks, and chicks who like to blow stuff up. You can't go wrong. Horror of Fang Rock- Tom Baker and Louise Jameson (Leela) are stuck on a creepy light house with an alien creature. Baker puts some snobs in their place with lines worthy of the Marx Brothers and Leela kicks ass and takes names. Plus you get Monster-Cam. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Oct 29, 2013 7:27:22 GMT -5
Maybe that's one of the reasons I haven't liked Classic Who. I get bored. That did not happen with the two multi-doctor stories I watched.
Five Doctors I watched in one sitting, but Three Doctors I watched in episodic format.
When part 1 ended in Three Doctors, I was ready for more. It was better.
I give Three Doctors a slight edge over Five Doctors, though I liked both stories.
What this showed though, and modern Who did this too, is that good writing CAN handle kitchen sink episodes.
I hate when people talk about things being "fanboyish" as if that term is a bad thing. What's wrong with giving the fans something extra special? That's kind of the point of entertainment.
That's another reason I get mad that there weren't more TOS/TNG crossovers, or they refuse to bring Shatner into current Trek despite the fact that he wants in.
The excuse that it takes away from the current actors is just dumb. All you need to do is look at the multi-doctor stories. They may not be perfect, but one thing they did not do is take away from the current cast.
Regarding the Three Doctors, some questions are obvious:
Why was the First Doctor so revered? He's a YOUNGER version. The THIRD Doctor is the older, wiser one, despite his appearance.
It's not like the First Doctor knows things the others don't.
Now it's true, his thinking may be a little different. If I could have a conversation with say, my 25 year old self, he would know things I have long forgotten, but he wouldn't be wiser or someone I should revere.
Likewise, why did the timelords send the SECOND Doctor to help? If the Doctor is crossing over to his time stream, why not get a future version? Or even get a second version of the Third Doctor?
As for watching Classic Who, I wouldn't go out of my way. I may give some more a go on Netflix, but if it's not on Netflix, I wouldn't bother
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Post by captainbasil on Nov 6, 2013 12:17:37 GMT -5
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Post by Mel on Nov 6, 2013 12:23:46 GMT -5
Man, I would love to have a conversation with my 25 year old self.
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Post by captainbasil on Nov 6, 2013 12:46:10 GMT -5
Man, I would love to have a conversation with my 25 year old self. I would not. I don't think we would like each other. ;D |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 10, 2013 16:14:02 GMT -5
The newer Doctors are younger. Take that and the danger, and it happens.
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Post by captainbasil on Nov 11, 2013 7:49:09 GMT -5
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 11, 2013 21:21:03 GMT -5
That sucks. I do think Moffat should have found a way to deal with the classic Doctors. ESPECIALLY McGann.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 12, 2013 7:13:05 GMT -5
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 14, 2013 12:45:41 GMT -5
Holy crap!
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Post by captainbasil on Nov 16, 2013 7:24:14 GMT -5
You beat me to it, Cram. I just wanted to make sure you saw it. Does McGann rock or what ?
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 16, 2013 12:54:37 GMT -5
It was outstanding. 7 minutes and they accomplished all that. Made my wish that there be a spin off featuring the 8th Doctor increase.
He was terrific.
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Post by captainbasil on Nov 18, 2013 8:03:54 GMT -5
I would love to see a whole Web series with McGann. I just ordered the Big Finish 50th Anniversary Audio The Light At The End. It features Paul Mcgann, Sylvester McCoy, Tom Baker, Peter Davison and Colin Baker. Each Doctor gets a 30 minute part and then they are all in the conclusion of the story. It got pretty good reviews.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 18, 2013 9:25:37 GMT -5
McGann would have really been a good doctor.
They have done a great job casting that role, so I have high hopes for Capaldi.
Just wish they'd stop with the whole "make the doctor a woman" thing.
That's political correctness gone nuts.
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Post by captainbasil on Nov 20, 2013 7:51:49 GMT -5
McGann would have really been a good doctor. They have done a great job casting that role, so I have high hopes for Capaldi. Just wish they'd stop with the whole "make the doctor a woman" thing. That's political correctness gone nuts. It's nuts for many reasons, but my main complaint is we have already had a Time Lady. Both Mary Tamm and Lalla Ward played Time Lady companion Romana (Tamm regenerates into Ward). She was more than just a companion to Tom Baker's Doctor she was , in some episodes, his boss. I don't want a female Doctor. The Doctor is an iconic character nobody needs to go all "Progressive" on the show.  |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 21, 2013 11:06:21 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more.
Also, if you want to see this live, it's on 2:50pm EST, simulcast around the world.
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