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Post by CRAMBAM on Mar 10, 2012 10:42:57 GMT -5
Not too many spoilers come out thanks to Abrams and his secrecy, and I doubt I will be visiting this folder until after I see the movie, but have at it.
Spoil away!
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Post by CRAMBAM on Apr 30, 2012 13:35:21 GMT -5
Ok, so some spoilers came out. Don't read if you don't want to be spoiled.
1. Spock Prime is back.
2. Khan is the villain.
Non spoiler:
I like #1, I hate #2.
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Post by CRAMBAM on May 29, 2012 8:52:18 GMT -5
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jun 6, 2012 16:16:14 GMT -5
Over at Blastr:Roberto Orci teases Trek 2 details: Klingons, Harry Mudd and more Star Trek 2 scribe Damon Lindelof may prefer the fans to try and stay in the dark about the upcoming Trek sequel until the movie finally comes out in 2013, but unlike Lindelof, his perpetual colleague and co-writer Roberto Orci appears to enjoy teasing the heck out of us with, well, teasers. Luckily for us, he has struck again! MORE: blastr.com/2012/06/roberco-orci-teases-trek.php
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jun 26, 2012 18:20:00 GMT -5
Over at Blastr: Trek 2 screenwriter reveals who definitely WON'T be in the sequel Filming may be wrapped on Star Trek 2, but J.J. Abrams & Co. continue to keep an extremely tight lid on the storyline, characters involved and all the other things we really want to know. But thanks to screenwriter Roberto Orci, we at least know who won't show up in the sequel. MORE: blastr.com/2012/06/trek-2-screenwriter-revea.php
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Jun 26, 2012 21:48:36 GMT -5
No big reveal here. The only one who was a remote possibility was Gary Mitchell (and it's one more giant mistake of them to have not had him in passing in the previous movie!).
Kinda bummed they can't figure out how to get Janice Rand in there though. What might be very interesting is a movie that examines the love triangle between Kirk, Rand and the Enterprise. But then, where do you put the kewl 'splosions?
-TK
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Post by Mel on Jun 27, 2012 22:37:24 GMT -5
From the article:
Don't be looking for these characters anytime soon:
Janice Rand (several episodes)
Gary Mitchell ("Where No Man Has Gone Before")
Charlie X ("Charlie X")
Ruk the android ("What Are Little Girls Made Of")
The Borg (several episodes)
Works for me.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jun 28, 2012 7:31:55 GMT -5
I don't know if Abrams will ever capture Kirk's passion for the Enterprise. I also think Mitchell should have been a major character in the last movie. More appropriate to have him than Chekov.
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Post by gavin1701 on Jun 28, 2012 15:59:00 GMT -5
Mitchell was Kirk's best friend in Where No Man. That role was taken by Doctor McCoy who wasn't yet created in the Trek universe during the original pilot. There wouldn't have been much of a role for him with McCoy there, other than a bridge function, so why waste a character like Mitchell if he was just going to be in a minor role. Plus he was just a one episode guest star, so I understand why they went with Chekov (even though he was far too young).
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jun 29, 2012 14:09:56 GMT -5
I could see Kirk knowing McCoy in the academy, but not serving on the same ship at the time of Where No Man.
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Post by gavin1701 on Jul 1, 2012 16:01:03 GMT -5
Yeah the point is though, in the function of the script and story, Mitchell didn't fit in for any other reason than they were friends in the academy, and McCoy fulfilled that role. The story moved about at lightning speed. I really can't see where in the script Mitchell would have fit without padding the movie unnecessarily.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jul 2, 2012 7:21:46 GMT -5
It would have been a different story--one where Mitchell was a bigger role. It might have made sense to cut Chekov out, especially since Mitchell was the navigator.
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Post by gavin1701 on Jul 2, 2012 12:59:00 GMT -5
Chekov's role was much like it was in the original series: bridge function. There were no strong character scenes with him. Mitchell would have been wasted just pressing a few buttons. But having said that, he was never a major character, a one episode guest star. Sam Kirk probably had more reason to be in the movie (although his scene was cut out).
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jul 6, 2012 13:37:17 GMT -5
He was a one episode guest star, and while he meant little to the audience, he meant a lot to Kirk at that point in his life. I think the audience would have appreciated the nod to Where No Man, and it might have been interesting to kill Mitchell off differently. Then again, Mitchell IS part of the Trek lore in comics now.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 9, 2012 15:17:10 GMT -5
Over at Blastr:Karl Urban accidentally ID's Benedict Cumberbatch's Trek 2 villain Considering that Sherlock actor Benedict Cumberbatch may not be playing Khan Noonien Singh on J.J. Abrams' Star Trek 2 (XII) after all, the question is: Which villain is the British actor playing in the highly anticipated film? Well, fellow Trek actor Karl Urban may have just let slip the motherload of reveals during a Dredd press junket. Oops! MORE: blastr.com/2012/07/benedict-cumbebatchs-star.php
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Post by TrekBeatTK on Jul 9, 2012 15:30:12 GMT -5
Whether this is more disinformation remains to be seen. But odds are it's going to be ONE of these characters that they keep claiming it's not...
I'd much prefer Mitchell over Khan any day.
-TK
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 9, 2012 15:35:47 GMT -5
I don't know whether it's disinformation or not (obviously), but odds are pretty good that it is.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jul 10, 2012 6:59:36 GMT -5
While I think Gary Mitchell would have been a good choice, I think Urban is just joking around.
It makes no sense given that Orci flat out said it's not Mitchell, and they used Mitchell in the comics, which were supervised by Orci.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Jul 16, 2012 16:52:57 GMT -5
Over at Blastr:Roberto Orci says all you've heard about Trek 2's villain is wrong Okay, this is getting ridiculous. First, Karl Urban says Gary Mitchell IS the villain in Star Trek 2. Now one of the film's writers, Roberto Orci, says he's NOT. Which man is lying? MORE: blastr.com/2012/07/trek-2-writer-says-no-gar.php
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Post by CRAMBAM on Jul 17, 2012 7:35:16 GMT -5
Urban. I don't believe for one second Mitchell is the villain, despite that I wish he would be.
It would be hard to do unless it was a SEQUEL to Where No Man, and they would have to cover the events of Where No Man as they unfold in the new timeline. Hard to do that AND make enough new stuff to make it interesting since they don't want to retell the story.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Oct 23, 2012 11:25:13 GMT -5
No surprise here, but these aren't considered canon.
Over at Digital Spy:
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 15, 2012 1:40:17 GMT -5
Over at io9: First 9 minutes of Star Trek Into Darkness premieres in theaters one month from now There still hasn't been a trailer or any footage from J.J. Abrams' brand new Star Trek movie, Star Trek Into Darkness. But a month from today, some lucky fans will get to see the first nine minutes of the film in IMAX theaters. More ยป io9.com/5960721/first-9-minutes-of-star-trek-into-darkness-prem iere-in-theaters-one-month-from-now
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 15, 2012 8:04:24 GMT -5
Too many restrictions for me. Not sure I want to see the Hobbit, and if I do, it won't be on IMAX. IMAX to me is just a really big screen. It's no different than seeing a movie any other way. It's all proportional.
If I see Hobbit, it would be in a regular theater, so I wouldn't see this anyway.
I would hope the footage gets online anyway.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 16, 2012 19:18:43 GMT -5
Over at Blastr:Chris Pine teases 'what the hell's going on?' Cumberbatch Trek scene The cast of Star Trek Into Darkness has been sworn to secrecy when it comes to the plot. But that hasn't stopped Chris Pine from giving us hints about a major scene that appears in the sequel. MORE: blastr.com/2012/11/chris-pine-teases-super-s.php
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 18, 2012 12:44:54 GMT -5
Well, as described, it's not a bad idea.
In the prime universe, I always felt that Kirk was a prodigy. He was someone who was born to be in command, and Starfleet would have been smart enough to see that. Kirk would have been obsessed with climbing the ladder, and that his command was well earned by the time he got it, regardless of his age.
But in the new timeline, that wasn't the case. Kirk still had the intellect and ability, but didn't have the attitude to cultivate it until the events of the movie pushed him toward his path.
Yet it was absolutely ridiculous that he be given command of the Enterprise before graduating the academy. That made no sense.
So if this movie involves a mission where he indisputably earns his command, that's not a bad thing.
I just hope it doesn't involve Khan.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 18, 2012 17:55:24 GMT -5
But in the new timeline, that wasn't the case. Kirk still had the intellect and ability, but didn't have the attitude to cultivate it until the events of the movie pushed him toward his path. Yet it was absolutely ridiculous that he be given command of the Enterprise before graduating the academy. That made no sense. |
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 19, 2012 9:24:12 GMT -5
It's also a shame that they never came back to the Kobayashi Maru.
I would have liked to see a more traditional approach to Kirk's rise to the chair. They could have made a lot of interesting changes without changing the core of Kirk's origin.
First and foremost, Kirk is the man.
If the goal is to end with Kirk in the captain's chair, then the confrontation with Nero should have taken place when Kirk was on the cusp of his destiny.
The events should not have taken place when he was a cadet. We should have seen the Kobayshi Maru play out similar, except Kirk got his commendation for original thinking and put on a fast track. Flashforward another couple years when Kirk is now part of the senior staff and THEN is forced to take command, where he kicks ass and earns a captaincy.
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Post by Mel on Nov 19, 2012 10:29:25 GMT -5
Honestly, I didn't notice how Kirk got the captain's chair at the end of the movie. I was upset -- because time travel was used for Nero to get his revenge and destroy planet Vulcan -- but there wasn't additional time travel to restore Vulcan and the timeline -- that I didn't notice that Kirk was basically handed the captain's chair. Maybe in some ways it doesn't matter. You guys told me that the Enterprise wasn't the flagship of the Federation (which I had always assumed it was). Maybe in the second movie, Kirk will earn that chair.
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Post by CRAMBAM on Nov 19, 2012 14:10:57 GMT -5
That's interesting. That is all Abrams. Against anything and everything that Trek stands for with time travel, Abrams just blew up Vulcan without thinking of the ramifications of changing history.
Abrams wanted to use the theory that all time travel does is create a new universe--it doesn't erase the old one, which goes against 40 years of how time travel was treated in Star Trek.
So yes, despite what Abrams said or did, the timeline that we knew was destroyed. All of canon was knocked out.
The only person that should have been unaffected that lived was Spock Prime, and maybe some supernatural aliens like Q, who probably wouldn't care.
Spock Prime in theory, would not stick around to help Vulcan rebuild. He would be working on a plan to travel back in time and stop it.
Where were the temporal police here?
It's a big flaw in that movie for me.
Of course, those that worship Abrams don't care, or refuse to accept that the prime timeline is gone.
No matter what the writers say off screen, what they do on screen trumps everything, and on screen, they chose NOT to save the prime universe.
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Post by StarFuryG7 on Nov 19, 2012 17:16:51 GMT -5
Over at Blastr:Rumor of the Day: Zachary Quinto to quit Spock after Trek sequel? If you guys were stunned about last week's shocking American Horror Story reveal concerning Zachary Quinto's character, wait 'til you hear this one. Rumor is, Quinto may not reprise the role of Mr. Spock after Star Trek Into Darkness hits theaters next year. MORE: blastr.com/2012/11/rumor-of-the-day-zachary.php
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